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外网对线过太多韩国人了,经验丰富。总体而言没什么难度,直接复制粘贴下面这几段就可以直接破防9成9的韩国人。第一部分主要是关于汉服和韩服的争论反驳。这点基本不需要什么废话,不要争论什么衣服形式,直接上韩国国王语录和韩国自个的历史文献就成了。朝鲜高宗,太祖,新罗国王,高句丽全齐了。不像韩国人只会举例些不三不四的中国野史。让他们领略下啥叫文明优势,啥叫降维打击。
要是挑衅的韩国人发言太欠揍的话,还可以后面接上几句 listen to your ancestors, you pathetic creature 或者 read your history, oops sorry, they are written in Chinese, you can't understand. Hahahahaha 最后再加几个爆笑脸的Emoji, 大多数都可以被你给气个半死
下面直接复制粘贴即可,如果太长的话可以分段,同时新更新里配置了图片,FB和推特对线直接甩脸便可,朝鲜语也找齐了
Hanfu is not Hanbok
Based on the quotes from Korean Kings and authoritative historical documents. Korea Hanbok is the one that was influenced by China Hanfu, not the other way around. Claiming Hanfu's characteristics and styles belong to Hanbok only shows your ignorance. Hanbok shares similarities with Hanfu because ancient Korea adopted Chinese costumes and headgears. You can use them, but you don't have the right to distort history or claim these Hanfu features as Korean origin. Hanfu is for everyone, but Hanfu is Chinese
1.Veritable Records of the Joseon Dynasty Volume 36 고종실록 고종 36권 朝鮮王朝實錄 高宗 36卷: AD 1897
“我邦疆土, 係是漢、唐古地, 衣冠文物, 悉遵宋、明遺制, 接其統, 而襲其號, 無所不可"
“우리나라의 강토는 한(漢) 나라와 당(唐) 나라의 옛 땅에 붙어있고 의관(衣冠)과 문물(文物)은 다 송(宋) 나라나 명(明) 나라의 옛 제도를 따르고 있으니, 그 계통을 잇고 그 칭호를 그대로 쓴들 안 될 것이 없습니다”
“The territories of Korea used to be the ancient land of Han and Tang. Our costumes and relics conformed to Song. The kingdom system and structure adopted from Ming. It is rightful and legal to inherit the true name of Greater China and her culture - Joseon Gojong조선고종 高宗”
2.1 History of Goryeo 고려사권 137권 (高麗史 137卷): AD 1392
“復行洪武年號,襲大明衣冠,禁胡服”
“부행홍무년호 습대명의복 금호복”(朝鲜读音翻译)
“Joseon Dynasty shall adopt the era name of Hongwu of Ming, wear Ming costumes and headgears, ban Hu Dress”
2.2 History of Goryeo 고려사권 137권 (高麗史 137卷): AD 1392
“復行洪武年號,襲大明衣冠,禁胡服”
“병오 다시 홍무(洪武) 연호를 시행하였고, 명(明)의 의관을 이어 사용하였으며, 호복(胡服)을 금지하였다.”(朝鲜现代语翻译)
“Joseon Dynasty shall adopt the era name of Hongwu of Ming, wear Ming costumes and headgears, ban Hu Dress”
3. Taejo of Goryeos' Ten Rules 왕이 훈요10조를 내리다 高麗太祖 訓要十條: AD 943
"惟我東方, 舊慕唐風, 文物禮樂, 悉遵其制, 殊方異土, 人性各異, 不必苟同. 契丹是禽獸之國, 風俗不同, 言語亦異, 衣冠制度, 愼勿效焉"
“우리 동방(東方)은 옛날부터 중국의 풍속[唐風]을 흠모하여 문물(文物)과 예악(禮樂)이 다 그 제도를 따랐으나, 지역이 다르고 인성(人性)도 각기 다르므로 꼭 같게 할 필요는 없다. 거란(契丹)은 짐승과 같은 나라로 풍속이 같지 않고 말도 다르니 의관제도(衣冠制度)를 삼가 본받지 말라”
"We, the East admire the customs of the Tang Dynasty, learn her rite and music, adopt her system and style. People from far land are different from us in terms of humanity, do not try to make them look similar in a subservient manner. The nature of Khitan (契丹) is brutal and bestial, we do not share the same value or language with them, so do not follow their system of attire"
4.Samguk Sagi Volumn 5『삼국사기』권5 『三國史記』卷5 : AD 649
“(真德王) 三年,春正月,始服中朝衣冠”
“(진덕왕) 3년(649) 봄 정월에 비로소 중국의 의관(衣冠)을 착용하였다”
" In the third year of Jindeok, the first month of spring, people in Silla (South Korea) started to wear Chinese-style cloth and hats"
5.Samguk sagi 삼국사기 (三國史記. 新羅本紀) : AD 648
“春秋又請改其章服,以從中華製”
“춘추가 또한 장복(章服)을 고쳐서 중국의 제도에 따를 것을 청하자”
" Gim Chunchu 무열왕 asked the Emperor of Tang for permission to change the traditional cloth of Silla, the country shall follow the Chinese style "
6. 삼국사기 제28권 백제본기 제6 三國史記 卷第二十八 百濟本紀 第六
“高句麗亦以高辛氏之後 姓高氏 古史曰 百濟與高句麗 同出扶餘 又云 秦漢亂離之時 中國人多竄海東 則三國祖先 豈其古聖人之苗裔耶”
“고구려는 역시 고신씨(高辛氏)3)의 후손이라 하여 고씨로 성을 삼았다고 한다. 의 기록에 보인다.] 고사(古史)에 이르기를 “백제와 고구려가 모두 부여에서 나왔다.”고 하며, 또 “진, 한의 난리 때 중국 사람이 해동으로 많이 왔다.”고도 한다. 그렇다면 삼국의 조상들은 어찌 옛 성인의 후예가 아니겠는가?”
“Goguryeo is descendants of Gaoyang Clan, so the surname Gao is adopted. The ancient book recorded: “Baekje and Goguryeo. They all came from Buyeo." It is also said that“a lot of Chinese people came to Haedong during the riots of Qin and Han." Then, how could the ancestors of the Three Kingdoms not descendants of the Chinese ancient saints?”
这里第二段是各类关于韩国人起源说小合集,什么声称汉字韩国人发明呀,第一架飞机韩国人发明呀,日语韩国人发明等等,我连网址也给找齐了。对骂抄袭时,贴着一段韩国人起源说出来可以很好的塑造自己的话语权。特别适合有外国人在的情况下贴出来。韩国人要是无视的话就等于默认这些事真的,试图说明这些笑料只是少部分韩国人立场又直接矮了你一大截,打算论证的话就是自寻死路。
Korean professor claiming Chinese characters and languages were invented by Korean
https:// blog.naver.com/cyweon00 7/220539053895
Korean claiming China Xia dynasty, Shang Dynasty, Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors are all originated from Korea
https:// news.naver.com/main/rea d.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=102&oid=028&aid=0000059028
Korean claiming Taichi symbol of China was invented by Korean
http:// s01.megalodon.jp/2008-0 920-1546-09/www.chosunonline.com/article/20080608000010
Korean claiming Japanese Kendo and Japanese sword are originated from Korea
http://www. kendo.or.jp/knowledge/k endo-origin/
Korean claiming the first airplane was made by Korean, not the Wright brothers
https:// news.naver.com/main/rea d.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=102&oid=005&aid=0000035067
Korean claiming modern Japanese is originated from Korea
Korean claiming Japan Waygu beef is originated from Korea
Korean claiming paper technique is invented by Korean and spread to China and the west.
https://www. chosun.com/site/data/ht ml_dir/2008/11/02/2008110200784.html
Korean claiming Japanese Sumo is originated from Korea
Korean claiming Japanese Sake (rice wine) is originated from Korea
有个事情我插话讲讲,很多韩国人造谣中国人声称英语起源中国,变相来污蔑,这种情况遇到直接回复下面这个图片就成了,某韩国教授直接说了,English来自韩国,寿司来自韩国,日本文化来自韩国,中国文化来自韩国,中文来自韩国等等
图片发不了的情况,让其Youtube 上搜索 “강석준”便可
和上一段类似,这是韩国发明的历史地图了,这个发上去韩国人就基本躺平随便你嘲讽了。这地图真的太狂了,汉服韩服韩国人还能对着老外忽悠下。这种东西真的谁看了都会翻白眼。
Lol, according to Korean history, Mongolia, East Russia, China, Iran, Vietnam, Japan, Laos, Thailand, etc were all used to be Korean territories. There are two good alternative words to describe Korean. One is "shameless cultural thief" another is "History Inventor"
第三段主要是针对韩国人声称泡菜起源韩国的反驳论据。这里的反驳主要就抓2个点,1是泡菜核心的大白菜源于中国北京地区,在中国唐朝时期传播到韩国。2是中国泡菜腌制可追寻到3100年前,而韩国腌制蔬菜最早的记录大约于1500年前,晚了中国太多。把时间和起源这两大核心都抓住就达到8成效果了。
之后再接几句韩国原本是中国属国,大量技术,语言,文化都源自中国,韩国历史都是中文记载,今天韩国人看不懂所以精神错乱。主要用于展示强证据之后来直接定论,有理有据的一巴掌拍死对面
对了,李子柒做的那个准确来说应该是四川的辣白菜做法,而非传统泡菜。如有误的话欢迎纠正。还有就是kimchi这词别用,是韩语音译词语,实际意思是辛奇,或者韩式泡菜,而非泡菜。用了就自动矮一截。
Paocai and Sichuan Spicy Cabbage are not Kimchi
Based on the historical evidence and the origin of napa cabbage (Chinese cabbage), Kimchi is clearly influenced by China
1.Napa cabbage (Chinese Cabbage) 배추 is a type of Chinese cabbage originating near the Beijing region of China
2. Original version of Kimchi is based on radish. Chinese spread napa cabbage to Korea and taught Korean how to ferment napa cabbage-based (Chinese cabbage-based) kimchi
3.Paocai and Sichuan Spicy Cabbage are registered in UNESCO
4.China has a record of making fermented and pickle napa cabbage at least 3100 years ago. The earliest record of fermented vegetables in Korea is only 1500 years ago
5.Chinese spread fermented vegetable technique to Korea during its three kingdom era. China wasn't the first country that discovered the fermenting technique, but China was the one that taught Korean how to make pickle and fermented vegetable
6. China has been developing napa cabbage (Chinese cabbage) for thousands of years, there are hundreds of different styles or seasonings. Adding chili is something very common
7. Korea used to be a vassal of China. Chinese taught Korean a lot of things including language, customs, food, and music. Korean history and relics are all recorded in Chinese, Korean cannot read or understand their history today. That is why most Korean mistakenly claimed Chinese culture as their property
8.Saying Sichuan Spicy cabbage is Kimchi is like Americans claiming they invented pizza and chips. You give birth to your parents or your parents give birth to you?
关于食物的题外话,其实泡菜以外还有个地方需要值得警惕,那就是韩国对于饺子的剽窃,现实和电视剧中都已经发生了,比如今年韩国人就会以Mandu和Korean dinner, Korean food等tag标签来剽窃中国饺子。新出的某个叫做《女神降临》的韩剧更是直接把包饺子,中国龙,中国凤等元素潜移默化的盗窃为韩国元素
第四段就是一些不错反驳图片和资料,给那些会去推特或者FB这类可以发图片的地方的人准备的。
第一部分是韩国普通民众的露乳装韩服,当时中国服饰只有韩国贵族和上层才有资格穿。古代韩国缺乏染料技术,9成以上的朝鲜人都以白衣为主。还专门称呼自己为“白衣民族”朝鲜/韩语:백의민족,当时韩国美术“颜色匮乏”,洋溢着一种“悲痛美”。回复拿 백의민족 问韩国人为什么称呼自己白衣民族,现在反倒不穿古代为荣的白衣了也有很好的效果。
第二部分是韩国使用高句丽来作为例证如何反驳的方法
因为新罗,高丽,朝鲜王朝盛赞中国的语录和记录实在太多了,一套连击下来韩国人基本都蒙蔽。所以韩国人一帮新罗后裔最后被逼去拿杀自家祖先的高句丽作为反击对象。可惜高句丽文明本身是源自扶余,扶余又恰好是汉朝的玄菟郡统辖,衣冠利益和文字都是中华文明。
反击高句丽有5点可参考
说个好笑的事情,高句丽不是出土了不少文物吗?什么三足金乌呀,女娲伏羲壁画,四象图,正常人脑回路一般都是,哦,创始人家族来自中国,文化和中华文明深度联系,高句丽想必是中国文化分支,要么也是深度学习了中国文化和文明。
韩国人倒好,直接反着来,看看高句丽这个四象图,看看这个女娲伏羲,再看看这个三足金乌壁画,全部都能在中国文化里找到,中国人居然敢说自己没有被韩国文明影响,我大韩民国历史如此辉煌璀璨,真是太伟大了。TMD,我一次对线时候某些韩国人给我来这套神逻辑差点把我整懵逼了,居然还有这种孙子生爷爷奶奶,儿女生父母的逻辑。当然,后面慢悠悠玩起源追溯,那几个韩国人知道女娲伏羲之后就开始怀疑人生了
回复可参考
Goguryeo 高句麗 civilization is based on the Han dynasty. The country uses Chinese characters, conforms to Chinese custom, and wears Chinese clothes. The founder of Goguryeo is the offspring of the Yello Emperor of China. The Capital Cities and Tombs of the Ancient Goguryeo is located in Jilin, China
Today, Goguryeo is shared by three countries, China (65%), North Korea (25%), and Russia (10%). Goguryeo enslaved Silla, the ancestor of South Korea. Claiming Goguryeo is a 100% South Korean unique culture is like calling the enemy of your ancestor as your daddy
第三部分为韩国抄袭汉服,中国结等小合集,一堆韩国人直接拿中国史料记载造谣成自己,很多情况下还都是故意的
第四部分是打虎亭汉墓的出土的遗迹和一些唐代历史文献和艺术品。一般互殴总少不了互相出示历史文物和证据,韩国压根就没几个有历史年限的文物参考,这方面就只有被中国按在地上锤的份
第五部分这里我得强调一张图片,就是下面这个,很多韩国人发这张图片来论证黑笠在韩国有1500多年了。开始我也被这张图片给唬到了,咦,朝鲜当年好似还有点历史呀。不过我看着老觉得像唐朝的风格,就本着专业精神查了查,艹,一查发现这东西是出自敦煌某个壁画,压根就不是韩国的文物。
韩国人明知道是敦煌壁画的情况下故意删除,然后大规模造谣传播,把中国的东西说成是自己的。图二红色圈住的地方就是韩语的敦煌的意思。遇到发这图的直接上我图二然后疯狂嘲讽。嘲讽的越狠越好,韩国人是明知道出自中国但依然继续造谣的,无耻程度远远超出我们的想象。纯粹是偏执切极端疯狂的民族主义所带来的精神性错乱。可以回
WTF,Dunhuang is located in China Gansu. You little piece of sh**, son of bit*, fuc* cultural theif. Stealing Ancient Chinese relics and paints to fake your pathetic history and culture? What a kunt.
哦对了,韩国人可能会拿“新罗送供使”反驳,新罗送供使就包含了上面图1中的第二和第三个人物,直接拿我第一部分那个韩国国王语录回击就成,俩新罗国王的语录,刚好论证为何服饰相似,因为新罗王直接引进唐朝的服饰。
图片第一个带黑笠是中国古代的农民,跟韩国半毛钱关系都没有,其实想想就明白了,难不成是新罗上供的人还要专门牵头牛来中国放牧?什么鬼逻辑。可回复
Okay, so Silla farmer would travel thousands of kilometres to China to graze cattle? Please use your insufficient brain cells to thinks whether it is possible or not, thanks.
第六部分和第五部分类似,又是一个韩国人特喜欢拿中国文物论证的奇葩事情,下面这个宋代的《清明上河图》某个部分,有一个人戴斗笠,接着一群韩国人拿这张作画说里面那个戴黑笠的是韩国人。直接用图2回就差不多了,回复的话可参考上面那段
PS: 很多人有说雅集图,但其实网上传的那个是朝鲜的雅集图对联,模仿宋代的,所以画风很中国。但你要说的中国的吗?那倒不至于。说模仿中国雅集图倒是可以。林逋那些人我查了查实在找不到,当然也可能是我错了,欢迎之后纠正
第七部分,针对韩国国旗的,只要看到有韩国人贴他们的国旗图就可以随便嘲讽他们。韩国这个太极旗最初源自明朝引进,后来自个改良。说起来还有个有趣的事情,韩国如此重要的太极旗,设计者其实是一个中国人。他是清末著名外交家和学者、是复旦大学创始人马相伯的弟弟——马建忠。可回复
Apart from that, do you South Korean even realize that South Korea was initially founded in China Shanghai? Ever wondering how come South Korean Flag has the Chinese Taichi symbol on it? Because the flag design was designed by the Chinese. In April 1882, Chinese delegate Ma Chien-Chung promoted the use of the Yin-Yang spiral in red and blue and eight combinations of the Yi-ching and imposed his views to the Korean delegate Kim Hong-Jip
第八部分,韩国人经常以“东洋风” Oriental Style 的名义到处偷窃中国和日本的服饰和文化,遇到可以回击下面这个图片
第四段这里是关于一些韩国人常见的复制粘贴信息的反驳方法,主要出自下面3段
2. 《张光弼诗集》卷三《宫中词》:宫衣新尚高丽样,方领过腰半臂载,连夜内家争借看,为曾着过御前来。"
3. 《菽园杂记》:“马尾裙始于朝鲜国,流入京师……于是无贵无贱,服者日盛。至成化末年,朝臣多服之者矣。阁老万公安冬夏不脱……。大臣不服者惟黎吏侍淳一人而已。此服妖也,弘治初始有禁例。”
基本上来讲这三段是最常出现的韩国人反驳例证,这仨除了资治通鉴外其实都没什么实际意义,反而看着很憋屈,一是文化是互相交流的,韩国虽然是属国但你要说完全对中国0影响那还不至于,但奇葩点在于韩国人的以偏概全,中国输出韩国99%,然后韩国输出中国1%,接着韩国人用这1%结论中国被影响了就搞笑了。比如上面《菽园杂记》这段的马尾裙就是一个别在裤腰上面的小挂件而已。韩国的服饰,礼仪,文字,音乐一堆被中国输出,然后韩国千辛万苦输出了一个配件都算不上的小玩意就拿出来当例证了,简直太逗了。
二是历史文献的权重比不一样,比如我第一段给出的信息不是出自朝鲜国王就是韩国公认的历史文献三国史记和高丽史等。而韩国人找的这都是什么?《菽园杂记》?《张光弼诗集》?不是诗集就是杂记,权重比完全是天上地下的差别。
不过嘛,我遇到这种情况一般来说就是简单粗暴地打法,不去解释这些马尾裙是小挂件呀这些有的没的,就算解释清楚了韩国人的尿性是死皮赖脸不承认,没必要。就好比你开着歼-20去跟印度的光辉狗斗是因为你有高机动吗?不,是因为你傻,有隐身一发入魂干嘛去跟他狗斗。所以同理,反过来直接回击朝鲜国王语录和各个朝鲜历史文献就成,把韩国人逼迫来我的话语圈里面打。不停质问他们为何朝鲜国王这么说,为什么朝鲜历史文献这样记载效果更佳出众。步骤大致如下
1.先贴第一段我上面收集的过的那些韩国国王语录和正规历史文献,接着把《菽园杂记》翻译过来《Shu Yuan's Note》, 《张光弼诗集》=《Zhang Guang Bi's Poem 》
2. 然后反向质问,强调清楚关系,专门指出中国的例证来自朝鲜国王和权威历史文献,而韩国人那几个所谓例证不过是杂记和莫名的诗集,权重完全不一样
Lol, I am using quotes from your Ancient Kings and authoritative Korean historical documents, Samguk Sagi 삼국사기 三國史記 for example, as reference. Look at you, you need to rely on notes from some random poets. Hahahaha, what a poor cultural thief, it seems like you are unable to find better evidence. If you can't show me authoritative historical like Samguk Sagi 삼국사기 then shut the f**k up.
3. 第三段就是逼问,强行拉其进入我的话语圈里,建议使用强势的语句,比如我就会用 steal, copy这种词语,如果平心气和说古代韩国被中国影响什么的,韩国人会偷换概念,用一些无足轻重的东西试图曲解为韩国影响了中国。但你用steal,copy这种强势词语,韩国人一听会反倒会回答,不不不,我们的历史文献说的是合理引进学习中国文化,才不是偷和抄袭呢。
Answer my questions, you little cultural thief, why did Korean Kings order the kingdom to steal and copy Chinese culture, clothes, customs, system, language, and characters. Your historical documents clearly recorded how they plagiarized Chinese culture step by step. Pathetic country, pathetic people.
当然,这种打法主要是我个人用的,还有其他的反驳方式,我之前在油管上就看过一个老哥对于《续资治同鉴》那段的反驳不错,不过感觉太繁琐了外加有些地方我不太认同,所以只是复制记录了下来。
他关于《续资治通鉴》的反驳大致分为三段,原文后面会贴,我这里就大致概括下
最求简便的同学我可以推荐你们直接拿李成桂这个朝鲜太祖来直接反击和调侃就成了,这种使用对方历史受尊崇的人物来反击建立的心理压迫极强,不过对于国家历史辉煌要求极高,不过巧了,中国对韩国刚好具备
Lol,according to Yi Seong-gye's 이성계 famous quotes: "復行洪武年號,襲大明衣冠,禁胡服" Translation: Joseon Dynasty shall adopt the era name of Hongwu of Ming, wear Ming costumes and headgears, ban Hu Dress.
It seems like your dear King doesn't agree with what you said. Yi Seong-gye 이성계 is rolling in his grave Hahaha
原文
Hahahaha, pathetic, so pathetic, do you have any ideas of what this paragraph is about? See this part? “多畜高丽美人“, "多” means many, “畜“ means livestock 高丽美人 means Goryeo beauties. Can you see the connection now? Many Goryeo beauties as livestock. Goryeo was a vassal of Yuan, and Goryeo King export hundreds of Goryeo beauties to please Yuan nobles periodically. “有权者” means people who have power, which represents Yuan nobles. These Yuan nobles used Korean women as livestock for fun. To put that simply, those exported Goryeo beauties were used as sex pets. It seems like you Korean really miss the days of being Japanese comfort women.
And these nobles really like the way Goryeo dresses on Goryeo woman body + tributary artifacts from Goryeo. Well, these Yuan nobles want some Goryeo cloth imitation, but it is not really associated with fashion and culture, it is more like…..cosplay sex. Proud of your sex slave history?
By the way, Zizhi Tongjian (资治通鉴) contains 294 volumes in total, some parts are based on street gossips, in actual Chinese history, they are only references, not evidence. Do you know what does evidence means? Here is what Yi Seong-gye 이성계, the founder of Joseon Dynasty said: 復行洪武年號,襲大明衣冠,禁胡服. It basically means Korea will ban barbarian costumes and start to wear China Ming clothes and headgears because they are more civilised.
Apart from that, this is not even related to my discussion. Because this statement is about Later Yuan. During the Yuan dynasty, the cloth was primarily based on Mongolian style cloth. After Ming defeated Yuan, the first emperor of Ming, Zhuyuan Zhang soon made an order to restore Hanfu, and Ming-style Hanfu was derived from the Tang, Song, Han, and other dynasties of China.
Guess what, Later Goryeo used to be a vassal of Yuan, its costume style was heavily influenced by Mongolia. Because of this, the Ming emperor only used the word "夷" to call Korea until AD 1392 after Yi Seong-gye 이성계 defeated Later Goryeo and found Joseon Dynasty.
Yi Seong-gye soon visited Ming and asked for recognition from the Ming emperor to help him gain legitimacy. Two kingdom names were also offered, one is 朝鲜,another is 和寧. In exchange, Joseon Dynasty became a vassal of Ming, and Yi seong-gye imported Confucian ideology, Ming costume, and culture to the country. This is the full story of how Korea adopted Chinese costumes and why do they look alike, not the other way around. Can you see that? Yi seong-gye was rolling in his grave when you ignorant Korean tried to invent history, hahahaha.