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如何评价美国总统特朗普在第72次联合国大会上的演讲? 第1页

  

user avatar   ptowner 网友的相关建议: 
      

每次你川皇讲完话以后过来看知乎,都觉得自己是看了一个假的演讲。这让我想起小时候看的一个算命的故事,三个人进京赶考,路遇一个算命先生,考生问算命先生,你觉得我们此行成功几率有多大,算命先生一言不发伸出一个手指。这一个手指可以表达三种不同的意思:只有一个考生考中、只有一个考生没考中、没有一个考生考中。只要考生愿意相信算命先生,那不管结果如何他都会是对的。

你川皇在我心里就是这么一个算命的,但他的成功离不开死心塌地相信他的川粉。他心里没有主义,这就是为什么只要你去翻他以前发的推接受的采访,对每个问题他的立场都是变来变去的,今天支持,明天反对,Donald Trump has taken every possible position on every possible issue. 当然川粉会说他灵活,懂得变通,但是灵活也有个限度,算了我也不可能说服你们。在我看来他把每个立场都站一边的好处是,他的支持者,哪怕互相之间有政见分歧,比如华人川粉讨厌政府补助医改,中西部和南部的工人阶级川粉支持政府补助医改,双方都可以说我川皇是站在我这边的,而他们都可以找出一段老的采访或者文字来证明这一点。

就拿这次的演讲来说吧,我尽量把自己的感受放在一边,不发表对内容的看法,就单说结构,这篇演讲根本就是好几个对外交政策政见不同的speech writer在互相没有沟通过的情况下各写了一段然后简单粗暴地拼凑在一起的。很多答主都是提取了自己喜欢的一小段,表达川普为什么对/错,这种方法对于一般演讲者是适用的,因为正常演讲者在同一篇演讲基本可以做到前后不矛盾。但你川皇不是这样,所以从中截取任意一段都没有代表意义。

很多川粉说川普强调了美国利益第一。

As President of the United States, I will always put America first, just like you, as the leaders of your countries will always, and should always, put your countries first.

但是川普也盛赞了马歇尔计划

It was in the same period, exactly 70 years ago, that the United States developed the Marshall Plan to help restore Europe. Those three beautiful pillars -- they’re pillars of peace, sovereignty, security, and prosperity.

The Marshall Plan was built on the noble idea that the whole world is safer when nations are strong, independent, and free. As President Truman said in his message to Congress at that time, “Our support of European recovery is in full accord with our support of the United Nations. The success of the United Nations depends upon the independent strength of its members.”

马歇尔计划恐怕不是一个美国利益第一的计划吧?

他还称赞了美国参与的其他人道主义项目

We have invested in better health and opportunity all over the world through programs like PEPFAR, which funds AIDS relief; the President's Malaria Initiative; the Global Health Security Agenda; the Global Fund to End Modern Slavery; and the Women Entrepreneurs Finance Initiative, part of our commitment to empowering women all across the globe.


他一方面说要尊重其他国家主权

Strong, sovereign nations let diverse countries with different values, different cultures, and different dreams not just coexist, but work side by side on the basis of mutual respect.

说自己的外交政策是务实

For the diverse nations of the world, this is our hope. We want harmony and friendship, not conflict and strife. We are guided by outcomes, not ideology. We have a policy of principled realism, rooted in shared goals, interests, and values.

但另一方面他要摧毁朝鲜。

The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea. Rocket Man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime.

你可以说朝鲜涉及到美国利益,威胁美国国土安全。但伊朗目前并没有叫嚣着要打美国对吧?就因为伊朗让美国尴尬了?

We cannot let a murderous regime continue these destabilizing activities while building dangerous missiles, and we cannot abide by an agreement if it provides cover for the eventual construction of a nuclear program. The Iran Deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the United States has ever entered into. Frankly, that deal is an embarrassment to the United States, and I don’t think you’ve heard the last of it -- believe me.

The Iranian government masks a corrupt dictatorship behind the false guise of a democracy. It has turned a wealthy country with a rich history and culture into an economically depleted rogue state whose chief exports are violence, bloodshed, and chaos. The longest-suffering victims of Iran's leaders are, in fact, its own people.

古巴威胁到美国安全了么?古巴的主权怎么又可以不尊重了呢?

That is why in the Western Hemisphere, the United States has stood against the corrupt and destabilizing regime in Cuba and embraced the enduring dream of the Cuban people to live in freedom. My administration recently announced that we will not lift sanctions on the Cuban government until it makes fundamental reforms.

委内瑞拉又是怎么惹到美国利益了呢?

We have also imposed tough, calibrated sanctions on the socialist Maduro regime in Venezuela, which has brought a once thriving nation to the brink of total collapse.

The socialist dictatorship of Nicolas Maduro has inflicted terrible pain and suffering on the good people of that country. This corrupt regime destroyed a prosperous nation by imposing a failed ideology that has produced poverty and misery everywhere it has been tried. To make matters worse, Maduro has defied his own people, stealing power from their elected representatives to preserve his disastrous rule.

这段话哪里体现了他的不干涉主义?

如果委内瑞拉政府继续腐败,我们就要take further action,这不就是干涉主义么?

The United States has taken important steps to hold the regime accountable. We are prepared to take further action if the government of Venezuela persists on its path to impose authoritarian rule on the Venezuelan people.

如果说他的矛头是社会主义,那他前面说的国家的多样性多元价值观diverse countries with different values又是怎么回事?

The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented, but that socialism has been faithfully implemented.

那通篇不提最大的社会主义国家也算是挺没种的吧?怎么在某些人眼里这就是Straight talk,这就是敢想敢说?

最矛盾的是这一段:

America stands with every person living under a brutal regime. Our respect for sovereignty is also a call for action. All people deserve a government that cares for their safety, their interests, and their wellbeing, including their prosperity.

你们所有说川普是美国利益第一的不干涉主义,请把这一段读三遍再决定。

还有这一段:

As a responsible neighbor and friend, we and all others have a goal. That goal is to help them regain their freedom, recover their country, and restore their democracy. I would like to thank leaders in this room for condemning the regime and providing vital support to the Venezuelan people.


这就是为什么听完演讲以后,川普的死忠很开心,因为他们听到了“尊重他国主权”、“不干涉主义”、“美国第一”,建制派也很开心,因为他们听到了川普对所谓的“邪恶轴心国”的不屑、想要在委内瑞拉和古巴重塑民主的决心。

唯一不开心的是我这样的咬文嚼字的人,唯一不开心的是我这样的觉得words should mean things的人。

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川粉们,你们要追星,我无所谓,但是能不能不要把自己偶像强行推销给每个人?

那些说制裁古巴委内瑞拉打击朝鲜和伊朗都算是美国利益第一的人,那些说消灭独裁国家符合美国利益的人,我就问一句,那你川皇跟他的前任们的外交政策的区别在哪里?大小布什、克林顿和奥巴马都认为制裁独裁国家推行西方民主自由是美国利益,你们之前不是说你川皇的独特之处就在于他不在意意识形态只在意经济利益么?怎么当我一说他是假的“美国第一”你们又跑来告诉我他的外交思想其实很传统,你们晕不?

那些试图教育我到底啥是美国第一啥不是的人,你们忽略了一点,我知道答案,我知道向外推行西方式自由民主是美国利益。上面的答案是我站在不干涉主义的立场问,到底不干涉主义是什么?结果一堆答案说马歇尔计划是不干涉主义,消灭独裁国家是不干涉主义,那我觉得光看你们的答案就挺能说明问题了已经,那些为“不干涉主义”叫好的人其实也不知道不干涉主义是什么,只是因为川皇说了他们就跟着叫好,哪怕这所谓的不干涉主义跟前任的干涉主义细究起来根本没有差别。


user avatar   wang-yang-42-21-35 网友的相关建议: 
      

我努力工作,年收入突破百万。我楼下小卖部老板眼红了。

他说他每天7点开店,晚上10点关店,工作时间比我长,收入却比我低,这不公平。为此,他甚至发展出了一套小卖部老板人权理论,要求将卖给我的可乐从一瓶2块钱涨到100块钱。

他说之前他受太多委屈了,等他觉得委屈弥补回来了,他会把价钱降到一瓶4块钱的。但想像原来一样2块钱一瓶那是永远不可能的。

我默默想了一下,走多一百米,用2块钱在另一家店买了一瓶可乐。

这件事被小卖部老板知道了,他生气了,他跑去骂另一家小卖部老板,骂他不尊重小卖部老板人权理论,并且在我家楼下贴大字报隐晦地骂我。

你说我为啥讨厌他?

我不只讨厌他,我甚至想报警呢。可惜警察说这事他们管不了。

……

这件事还有后续。

后来,小卖部老板人权组织找到了我,跟我说我楼下的小卖部老板的小卖部老板人权理论不是正宗的,他们才是正宗的。

我说,那你们的是怎么样的?

他们说,我们卖3块。


user avatar   xi-men-zi-ai-di-sheng 网友的相关建议: 
      

这是我看到的最准确的总结。

总的来说,就是中国的高考相对公平,所以性价比极高,所以其他活动都可以适当让步。




  

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