The amounts of material and information that Eshed has accumulated on the subject, along with his almost childlike enthusiasm, often cause him to zigzag between different matters and issues in a pattern quite similar to that of an average UFO: rapid changes of direction, far-reaching accelerations, a form that takes time to stabilize.

His determination — even when it goes against what seems reasonable logic or to the perceptions of the "mainstream academy," as he calls it — accumulates throughout the conversation and becomes, at some point, compelling. His new book, "The Universe Beyond the Horizon" (published by Yedioth Ahronoth), co-authored by author Hagar Yanai and serves as a kind of biography that tells the story of his life, devotes all his last and extensive part to Yopology - the study of aliens The materials are serious and authoritative, and do not include explicit references to Alef or Mork from Ork Star. You quickly read these pages in the book and find yourself mumbling at the end, against your good judgment: heck, they're here.

Eshed教授在外星人主题上积累了大量材料和信息，他的热情简直像个孩子，经常使他的思维在不同的事例和主题之间跳跃前进，其运动方式与UFO颇为相似：方向变化迅速， 加速能力无可匹敌，且需要时间才能稳定下来。

在对话中，他的决心不断积累，并在某些时候变得令人信服，即使它与“合理的逻辑”背道而驰，或者与他所谓“主流科学界”的看法不尽相同。 他的新书《超越地平线的宇宙》（由Yedioth Ahronoth出版），与作家哈加尔·亚奈（Hagar Yanai）合著，是一部讲述他一生的传记文，描述他把人生最后的大部分精力都献给了外星人研究。这些材料是严肃而权威的，没有包括Ork 星球里Alef或Mork的话语（注：这是作者幽默的表达，意思是书中内容很严肃，不是在写科幻小说）。 如果您快速阅读这本书的相关章节，将会发现自己在末尾处喃喃自语，因为它违反了您的常识判断：”哎呀，难道外星人真的已经来到这里？”

Part 2

"If I had come up with what I tell you today five years ago, I would have been hospitalized," Eshed knows. "Everywhere I went until today in academia with it, they threw me out. Even though I was a star in other fields, when I got there they said: The guy went crazy. Today they already speak differently, today they say 'interesting' - but changing a paradigm in science is harder than changing a paradigm in Rabbi Kniewski. "

Eshed知道：“如果我在五年前说出今天这番话，那我应该已经在医院里了。 只要我在学术界谈这些内容，他们都会把我扔出来，并说：'这个人完全疯了'，哪怕我在其他学术领域算得上一个明星。 但今天他们已经转变了态度，他们会说：'这些信息很有趣'。然而，让科学界改变思维框架，可比让Rabbi Kniewski改变教条困难多了。（注：Rabbi Kniewski是以色列宗教人物）

Are you not risking academically when you are interviewed on the subject now?

"I have nothing to lose today. I have received my degrees and awards, I am honored at universities abroad, and even there the trend is changing and willing to talk about it, even if in many places still say: Listen, make sure the elephant in the room stays in the room, and do not quote us."

您现在就该主题接受采访，是否会冒上学术风险？

“今天我没有什么可失去的。我已经获得了学位和奖项，我在国外的大学中备受尊敬，即使在那里，趋势也正在改变，人们开始愿意谈论它。哪怕在许多地方仍然在说：'听着，让我们把大象留在房间里，且别告诉别人这是我们说的。'”

（注：房间里的大象是英文常用比喻，意为某件明显的事情被群体视而不见，或不允许讨论）

Where do you say such things?

"American presidents also testified to that. Truman admitted to seeing a whole bunch of aliens over Washington. Nixon, who was a friend of comedian Jackie Gleason and knew he was crazy about UFOs, told him, 'I'm going to make your life's dream come true,' and took him to base. White-Patterson and showed him the bodies of aliens. Gleason went into depression from that. Eisenhower's granddaughter testifies that her grandfather signed an agreement with the aliens, that they would have a secret landing base here in Area 51 in Nevada, that they could come into contact with a limited number of people, conduct experiments, and that the condition was that they provide us with technologies. For the object to disengage from gravity - R.S.) ".

您都在哪些地方谈论这个话题？

“美国总统也对此作过证明。杜鲁门承认在华盛顿看到一大堆外星人。尼克松是喜剧演员Jackie Gleason的朋友，尼克松知道Jackie对UFO很着迷，所以告诉他，'我要让你美梦成真'，然后带他去White-Patterson基地（注：传说中美军储存飞碟与外星人尸体的地方），并给他看了外星人的尸体。看完后，Jackie就抑郁了。 艾森豪威尔总统的孙女曾作证说，他的祖父与外星人签了一份协议。让外星人在内华达州第51区拥有一个秘密降落基地，可以与有限的人类接触并进行实验，其条件是外星人为我们提供技术，比如教我们如何使物体摆脱重力。

And we got these technologies?

"Yes. We have anti-gravity and other things."

So why are they hiding from us and how can governments and armies in the world be able to cooperate in concealment of this magnitude?

"Not all the governments of the world. There is a group of partners - the Americans, the Russians, the Japanese, the English and the Chinese - all coordinated at a level where it is still forbidden to publish, and those who asked not to publish are them."

我们拿到这些技术了吗？

“是的。我们有反重力之类的东西。”

那么，为什么他们要对我们公众躲藏起来？世界上的政府和军​​队又如何能够相互合作，以进行这么大的规模的掩盖行为？

“不是世界上所有国家的政府都参与其中。但确实有一群合作伙伴-美国人，俄罗斯人，日本人，英国人和中国人-他们都在一个水平上进行协调，以避免公布相关信息。而不允许公布的源头，就是他们自己（指外星人）。”

Who are they?

"The Galactic Federation."

Is there such a thing?

"It exists. I wrote about it even though it was perceived as a conspiracy theory, but lately former senior generals are also saying to publish, and Trump was on the verge of finding out, and some mainstream professors are also saying: Guys, tell. But the aliens in the federation say: Wait, let's "First calm down, do not post yet because you will see what is happening to you. You are still fighting each other, you will destroy yourself."

“他们”指的是谁？

“银河联盟（或银河邦联）。”

真有这样的组织存在？

“它的确存在。我曾写过银河邦联的内容，虽然被认为是一种阴谋论。但最近一段时间以来，前军方高级将领也说要应该公开相关信息，特朗普几乎都要把盖子揭开了，甚至一些主流教授也在说：'伙计们，快让公众知道吧。'但是，银河邦联中的外星人却说：'等一下，让你们先冷静一下，不要这么快公开，因为您会看到不愿发生的事。 你们人类仍在互相打斗，公开后你们将摧毁自己。'”

[注：这一段内容我希望读者能谨慎判断。据我个人理解，之所以外星人没有在大众面前降落，确有一些考虑，它涉及到哲学之高度，即与我们人类的自由意志相关，如果无可置疑的证据摆在我们面前，将剥夺我们思考与自由选择的权利。但与此同时，我们地球人类又需要一些迹象，以促进我们把心智导入更深层的思考，而不至于深陷物欲难以自拔。所以正面外星人需要在公布与不公布之间维持一个平衡。这也是几十年来外星人信息若存若亡的一个原因。

至于政府部门的掩盖，完全是利益集团把持秘密，通过权力运作，避免民众接触相关信息，以压低普通民众之灵性觉知，方便他们掌控。其操作不该全部甩锅给银河邦联外星人（归属正面）。但也不能否认，Eshed教授所提之观点，可能受猎户座负面外星人的控制哲学隐蔽影响而形成。

当然，以上评论只是我阅读资料后形成的个人观点，并不见得正确，还请读者分析后得出自己的结论。]

Why not come and talk to us directly?

"Because it will create panic and collapse humanity. What will happen? The markets will collapse, there will be nothing to eat, people will become cannibals, hospitals will be shut down, all dark passions will come out, it may be the end - and they are not interested in it. On the contrary, they follow all the time. - And there are a lot of reports about it - after the nuclear events in the world, they monitor all the stations and nuclear weapons bases - I'm willing to give you all the things written - and there were already things they prevented.Know that it's not just luck that the Russians in the Pigs did not use nuclear weapons "The Americans. Someone neutralized it. Without them, I have no doubt that humanity would have already destroyed itself. They want to say to humanity: Children, calm down."

他们为什么不来直接与我们交谈？

“因为这样将制造恐慌并使人类崩溃。都将会发生什么呢？市场将崩溃，大家没有饭吃，人类沦落为食人族，医院被关闭，所有人性黑暗面会释放出来，结局可能如此悲惨。与之相反，他们一直默默关注我们，已经有很多报道确认此事。人类核爆后，他们监视着所有核电站和核武器基地。我可以为你提供所有书面证据。他们已经阻止了很多事件。你要知道，猪湾事件中，苏联人没有使用核武器，这不仅仅只是运气。（注，这里原文说的有点不清楚，不知是否真的指发生于古巴的猪湾入侵事件）是外星人解除了核武器。 如果没有他们，毫无疑问人类已经毁灭了自己。 他们想对人类说：孩子们，冷静点。”

Why not make contact when they say goodbye and say explicitly?

The UFOs have asked not to publish that they are here, humanity is not ready yet. There will be a great rampage of everyone, and what the Inquisition did to guys like Galileo and Copernicus will return. They want to make us sane first and understand. They waited until today for humanity to evolve and reach a point where we would even understand what space and a spacecraft are - think, in World War I we did not even have planes - and they do not want mass hysteria here, with the best example being what happened in 1938, with a sketch. Orson Welles' World War I, and the police collapsed and everything exploded in the streets. And what they say is: first of all, let's stand, that the stock markets will not fall, that there will be no rampage, that humanity will calm down a little. "

当他们离开并明确说再见时，为什么不接着联系呢？（很抱歉，这句话翻译有些困难）

UFO要求不要被公开，因为人类还没有准备好。如果它发生的话，每个人都陷入疯狂，宗教裁判所对伽利略和哥白尼这样的人所做之一切也将重现。 他们想让我们先学会理智与理解。 他们一直等到今天，人类持续进化，终于能够理解太空和航天器是什么东西。你想想，在第一次世界大战中我们甚至没有飞机。而且他们不愿地球人类歇斯底里，举一个最好的例子，那是1938年发生的事情，可当作类比。 奥森·威尔斯（Orson Welles）主演的“第一次世界大战”里，警察崩溃了，大街上所有东西乱糟糟。 他们想说的是：首先，我们得站稳了，股市不会下跌，人们不会疯狂，人类需要学会平静下来。 ”

Are we in communication with them regarding the date of publication?

"There is an agreement between the U.S. government and aliens - I can not prove it, I understand it sounds like a conspiracy theory - but the understanding is that the Galactic Federation has nine elements of advanced aliens of various kinds, who have signed a contract with us to do experiments here."

What interest do they have in us?

"There are all the resources here. There is water here in quantities that are nowhere else, there is all kinds of vegetation, all kinds of animals, the ocean."

我们是否和他们交流过公开信息的具体时间？

“美国政府与外星人之间达成了一项协议-我无法证明这一点，我知道它听起来像是阴谋论-但据我了解，银河邦联共有九种高级外星人种族，他们已经和我们签署了合同，允许在这里做实验。”

他们对我们有什么兴趣？

“这里有所有的资源。包括取之不尽的水，各种各样的植被，动物和海洋。”

But as intelligence developed from us, what are we useful to them?

"We are their petri dish. They too are researching and trying to understand the whole fabric of the universe, and they want us as helpers. To this day the petri dish has not been stabilized - but it is estimated that we are reaching this stage: religion accepts their existence - the Vatican has already announced it wants to baptize them; The UN has appointed an ambassador for foreign affairs (Mollan Othman - R.S.);

And brings us closer to them. "

但是他们的智慧远甚于我们，我们对他们到底有何用处？

“我们是他们的培养皿。他们也正在研究并试图理解宇宙的整体结构，他们希望我们对此有所帮助。直到今天，我们这个人类培养皿都还没有达成稳定，但是据估计，我们已经到了这个阶段 ：宗教接受他们的存在-梵蒂冈宣布要为他们施洗；联合国已任命星际外交事务大使（Mollan Othman-RS）；

......

使我们的发展更接近他们。 ”

（注：中间似乎有遗漏的片段）

Come on, in the present age there is no way such a thing would have been kept secret.

"How many years have you kept the fact that the Earth is not the center of the universe a secret? 1,500 years. Or the 'Manhattan Plan' (US atomic bomb project) - do you know how many people worked there? 150,000 people. How many knew what it was? .

得了吧，在当今这个时代，这样的事情怎可能被保密？

“你想想，我们曾把“地球不是宇宙中心”的秘密保守了多少年？1,500年。另一个例子是“曼哈顿计划”（美国原子弹计划）–你知道多少人参与其中吗？150,000人。 那么，究竟有几个人知道他们在研究什么？

Why, will they kill him?

"Yes. Killed a lot along the way. Everyone who opened their mouths."

为什么，他们会杀了他？

“是的。（秘密集团）这一路来杀了很多人。每一个开口爆出秘密的人。”

（注：这里似乎又遗漏了一段，导致前后文衔接不上，他们似乎谈论某人因泄密被杀，是传说中道西战争之泄密者？不知道，只是猜测）

You understand that the discussion with Cascade slides almost at any given time into the expected pattern in which you try to stop the flow of a person's speech with a story that requires at least some degree of skepticism. In front of all your "yes, but" there are ten more seeming proofs in the form of articles, quotes, opinions and gut feelings that feel solid. It's still a fascinating discussion, mainly because it's a cascade - one who's fully aware of the conspiratorial ringing, coming from the overlap, of the whole business, and yet he insists there are things - probably flying - in the body.

读者需要明白，与Eshed教授的讨论几乎在任何时刻都会滑入一种预定模式，在这种模式下，你总是试图提出一些质疑，以阻止对方滔滔不绝的演讲。 但在你提出“可是”一词之前，也了解到那里似乎已经存在十几种证据，包括文章，引用，观点，甚至直觉，让你内心觉得对方所说的是事实。这仍然是一个有趣的讨论，主要是因为你的谈话对象段位很高，他对阴谋论有完全的了解，甚至其工作内容与之相重叠，即便如此，他依然坚持相信不可思议之事，比如天上飞着UFO和外星人。（最后一句话意译，可能不准确）

Throughout most of his years, Eshed actually clung to the here and now. The new book tells the story of a child who immigrated with his parents from Istanbul in the difficult 1940s to the border between the Mugrabi neighborhood and Tikva in Tel Aviv, categorized in elementary school as a stereotypical and hopeless product of the neighborhood, paved for a vocational school and accepted, still without a matriculation certificate. In the Faculty of Building and then in Electrical Engineering. The sequel already included a doctorate in aeronautical engineering, development of technological infrastructure and weapons for the intelligence division, and a professional look, when following the peace agreement with Egypt and the halting of the possibility of freely photographing what was happening in Sinai, Eshed came up with the unlikely idea of ​​launching a satellite. Opposition was sweeping, but nine years and about $ 200 million later, Ofek 1 was launched, making Israel the seventh country in the world with the ability to develop and launch satellites.

在他的大部分人生里，Eshed实际上一直专注于现实生活。他的新书讲述了一个孩子的故事，这个孩子（即Eshed自己）在1940年代的艰难时期，从伊斯坦布尔移民到穆加比（Mugrabi）街区和特拉维夫（Tel Aviv）的提克瓦（Tikva）之间的边界，在小学时被归类为该街区没有前途且令人绝望的孩子， 并接受了职业学校的录取，却连入学证书都没有。 之后到建筑学院学习，接着攻读电机工程，而后获得航空工程学博士学位，参与情报部门的技术类基础设施和武器开发。Eshed真正塑造出自己的专业形象，和以色列与埃及达成的和平协议有关，协议终止自由拍摄西奈发生的事情。于是Eshed提出发射卫星的想法，在当时被人认为绝无可能。 所有人都不看好，但九年后，通过耗资约2亿美元，Ofek 1发射升空，使以色列成为世界上第七个拥有研发和发射卫星能力的国家。

Eshed spent the next 29 years in Israel's security space program, and after his official retirement he continued to develop a science curriculum for middle schools - including the actual launch of tiny box satellites by students.

Eshed在接下来的29年里，一直负责以色列的太空安全计划，正式退休后，他继续为中学开发科学课程-包括教导学生实弹发射迷你盒形卫星。

Then, roughly, the aliens began to enter into the routine of his peaceful life, or as he immediately clarifies at the beginning of the conversation: "Space for me is an obsession. When an ordinary person looks at the sky at night he sees darkness and some stars. "Stars that form, things that accumulate - listen, space is Times Square on July 4. Space is a carnival."

大约那个时候，外星人内容开始进入他的平静生活，在谈话伊始，他就明确地说：“对我而言，太空是一种迷恋。当一个普通人在夜晚注视着太空时，他看到的是黑暗与一些星星。但我不一样，我着迷于星星的形状，物质之聚散-听着，太空就像7月4日的时代广场，太空是狂欢的舞台。”

Part 3

Cascade believes wholeheartedly in bringing the alien, though he personally admits he has never seen an UFO. ".

How many life forms are there in space?

"There are thousands of stars with conditions similar enough to ours, and serious scientists have identified and documented dozens of life forms - even though the mainstream does not accept it. The closest to us are what we call the 'grays', which are gray creatures with large eyes with them".

Eshed全心全意相信着外星人的故事，尽管他个人承认从未见过UFO。

太空中存在几种生命形态？

“成千上万颗恒星的条件与我们非常相似，认真的科学家已经识别并记录了数十种生命形态，尽管主流科学界并不接受。离我们最近的外星人就是所谓的“小灰人”，有着灰色皮肤并长着一双大眼睛”。

Where are they geographically close to us?

"Suppose some of them came from the Pleiades, planets that have living conditions we know about - we can't get there, but they can get to us because they are much more advanced."

Where else in the neighborhood is there life?

"There is an underground base in the depths of Mars, and there are their representatives and also our American astronauts."

How do we know that?

"Do you want articles? There are. But science, until now, does not want to hear."

他们在地理位置上离我们很近？

“据说其中一部分来自昴宿星座，有行星具备我们所熟悉的生存条件-我们无法到达那里，但是他们可以来我们这里，因为技术上更加先进。”

在地球附近有智慧生命体？

“火星深处有一个地下基地，那里有他们的代表，还有我们的美国宇航员。”

怎么知道这些？

“你想要文章吗？我有。但是直到现在，科学界都不愿意听到相关信息。”

What do their aircraft look like?

"The large spacecraft is almost the size of a small town. Small spacecraft emerge from it - most of them robotic, manned by intelligent robots. At first they will send such robots, primitive to them, or a message we will have to decipher."

To reach us they need to move at least at the speed of light. What is their propulsion method - rocket? Nuclear?

"No. They have a method of producing a bubble that neutralizes time-space, and the tool does not move - space moves, and this is consistent with general relativity. Take for example an ant that wants to reach from one page to the other. Now let's say I folded the page in two - it moves to the other side "In a second. That's how you fold time-space as well."

他们的飞机长什么样？

“大型航天器几乎相当于一个小镇的面积，里面带着小型飞行器-它们是机器，大多是由智能机器人操纵。首先，他们会送来这些机器作为先导信息，等着我们破译它。 ”

为了抵达这里，他们至少需要以光速移动。 他们的推进方式是什么？火箭？ 核燃料？

“不。他们有一种产生气泡能量场的方法，该气泡可以抵消时空限制，飞行器本身不动-只是时空在移动，这与广义相对论是一致的。例如，一只蚂蚁想要从页面一角到达另一角， 我们可以把页面折叠，它就可以一秒内完成。 时空折叠的原理与之相同。”

What do they use to move time-space?

"It's a bit of a complex physics; propulsion is based on dark energy - 25 percent of the universe is dark matter - which allows time-space to be distorted and reach other galaxies in no time. You can create a tiny black hole - that's what Switzerland's particle accelerator does. "It's technologies that sound like science fiction but are out of the question."

他们用什么来操控时空？

“这是一个复杂的物理学；推进是基于暗能量的-宇宙中有25％是暗物质-这使得时空可以扭曲并立即到达其他星系。您可以创建一个小黑洞-就像瑞士粒子加速器正在做的工作那样，它听起来像是科幻，但确实是可行的现实。”

And what will happen when they come to us?

"Humanity will connect to the fabric of the universe, and once we connect, our science will leap in thousands of years, we will be capable of anti-gravity, we will be able to move between star systems, religion will lose the control it has today - aliens do not believe in religion, they believe in deciphering the fabric of the universe. "He's math."

当他们真正找我们时会发生什么？

“人类将与宇宙构造相对接，一旦连接完成，我们的科学将向前飞跃数千年，掌握反重力的能力，我们将能够在恒星系统之间移动，宗教将失去今天这样的控制力。外星人不相信宗教，他们相信能够解密宇宙的结构。一切都是数学。”

（注：这是令人不安的论述。老先生倾向于从物质或科技角度解读外星人信息，容易堕入负面哲学。虽然他在前面提过灵魂不灭的话语，但整个思维模式还是过于注重形而下之层面。）

Say, why are they always described as relatively short creatures, with long necks and big heads? This is exactly the way the immediate human imagination will see them.

"No. They have all kinds of shapes - they are a function of the star around which they cluster, and some of them can make shape changes."

那么，为什么他们总是被描述为相对矮小的生物，有着长长的脖子，大大的头颅？ 这似乎是人类想象力创造出来的形象。

“不。他们具有各种各样的形态-他们是围绕恒星聚合而成的功能物种，并且其中一些外星人可以改变形状。”

Is it biologically reasonable?

"Yes. Here is an example that you will understand immediately" - Cascade points to the heavy wooden table between us. "It's a table, yes? It's made of atoms. And if the nucleus of the atom is here on the table - do you know where its electron is? Maybe in Rosh Pina, maybe in the middle of nothing. It's quantum theory; the material is empty."

这在生物学上合理吗？

“是的。你可以参考这个示例来理解”-Eshed指着我们之间沉重的木桌。 “这是一张桌子，对吧？它由原子组成。如果我们把原子的原子核放在桌上，您知道原子的电子在哪里吗？也许在Rosh Pina，甚至存在于虚空。这是量子理论； 物质在本质上空无一物。”

（注：Eshed在解释原子核与电子之间极为空旷的相对空间，甚至电子足够小，具备波粒二象性，可以看成是波，也就是某种无形的能量形式，所以“存在于虚空”。我们肉眼所见的物质，看似实实在在，在微观视角下，充满极大空隙，就像一团虚无，因此外星人之形体改变，在理论上可行。也有人用相似理论来解释穿墙等特异功能，有意思的是，在第三类接触中，经常有穿墙的描述。）

But you and I do not know how to turn this table into something else now.

"But we too are energy. Even when we die we do not die, because we are made of molecules and atoms, and we move to another energy. You connect back to the cosmic fabric, to the web, to the connection of consciousnesses. You are consciousness."

She's going to die with me, isn 't she?

"No, forget it. The consciousnesses will not die. All that......Accumulated is added. It goes to the same network - and everything you have gained in your life, the personality, the total of what you have gone through, it accumulates. Stephen Hawking also realized that our consciousness adds to the fabric of the universe. We are building blocks. Step in the way. "

但是你我现在并不知道如何将这张桌子变成其他东西。

“本质上来说我们也是能量。即使我们肉体死亡，精神不会死去，我们的肉体由分子和原子组成的，肉体死亡后，我们会转变为另一种能量形式，你我将会回到宇宙的构造网络中，那是意识的连接。 记住，你是意识。”

意识会和我一起死去，不是吗？

“不会，忘记这个概念。意识不会消失，所有这些……经验会累加起来，然后进入同一个意识网络-包括你在生命中获得的一切经历，体验与个性，它们都将聚集一处形成意识。斯蒂芬·霍金（Stephen Hawking）也意识到我们的意识可与宇宙结构相连接。我们就像一块宇宙的积木。”

Biologists will tell you nonsense, it's all chemical and electrical activity in the brain.

"Bring me proof. Do you know that this is the biggest debate in science - consciousness? They have not summed it up, and there are phenomena that cannot be explained by electrical activity in the brain."

生物学家会说你在胡说八道，所谓意识，只是大脑中的所有化学和电活动。

“给我证据证明这点。你知道这个问题是科学界最大的争论吗？-意识究竟是什么？他们还没有达成一致结论，而且有些现象无法用大脑的电活动来解释。”

I admit that by this point in the discussion I had already moved all my chips to Cascade's side. I'm with him in this gamble. I'm ready and willing, when the day comes, to reconnect my mind to the general fabric - save me a spot next to Jerry Seinfeld's Consciousness - and I'm anxiously awaiting, along with Eshed, the official announcement of continued engagement with the aliens - it's likely to come through, at least A special announcement by the Prime Minister that Eshed believes that Netanyahu is not in the know. "Most countries are isolated from it," he says. and better this way.

我承认，讨论到这个程度后，我已经将所有筹码都移到了Eshed的一边。 在这场赌博中，我与他同坐一条船。 我已经准备好并愿意，在死亡到来时，将我的意识与宇宙结构相连接，最好在Jerry Seinfeld的意识旁边给我留一个位置。我也准备和Eshed一起等待政府的正式公告，说它们将与外星人继续合作下去。这很可能会实现，比如作为一项总理特别宣告。但Eshed认为内塔尼亚胡并不知道详情。 他说：“大多数国家都被隔离在信息之外。” 而且他认为，这其实是更好的处理方式。

It's too easy - certainly as the last paragraph suggests - to dismiss most of this conversation as somewhat delusional, but Eshed is still the one who has accumulated reliable and impressive enough mileage in his life. From service with the rookie Netanyahu ("I can tell you things that will bring you down") to conversations with Elon Musk ("He's a genius. Sit with him you might feel a little like me - he's a little crazy like that, but he lives things, and his girlfriend, 'SpiceX ', Connected to the issue of aliens ") - Eshed made sure to stay, specifically in his business, with two feet on the ground. "I'm not a space scientist, I'm a space technologist," he explains.

（如最后那段文字所暗示的那样）这个对话的大部分内容很容易被人视作某种妄想，但Eshed并非泛泛之辈，他在一生中完成很多成就，也积累了可靠的信用。 从服务于菜鸟内塔尼亚胡（“我可以告诉你一些让你失望的事情”）到与埃隆·马斯克（Elon Musk）的对话（“他是个天才。坐在他旁边，你可能会觉得他像我-有点疯狂，但是他以自己的方式生活，而他的女友'SpiceX'则与外星人问题息息相关”），Eshed确保自己脚踏实地，特别是在处理业务的时候。 他解释说：“我不是太空科学家，而是太空技术专家。”

Not that he would not pay any amount to go on an out-of-atmosphere expedition. In fact, he says, he was among the candidates to be the first Israeli astronaut, but Ilan Ramon was finally chosen, "and he was supposed to replace me after his return as head of the security space program, and allow me to return to academia."

并不是说他不愿意花费精力进行外空探险。 Eshed说，实际上，他是以色列首位宇航员的候选人之一，但伊兰·拉蒙（Ilan Ramon）最终被选中。“本来按计划Ramon（从STS-107 Columbia项目）回到地球后，将代替我成为太空安全主管（但最后因事故丧生），这样我可以回到学术界。“

Part 4 (last one)

In retrospect you're probably glad you did not fly.

"No, I'm very disappointed. Listen, humanity will not survive here, and if someone does not take care of the environment I will give us less than 50 years. Humanity will die - I hope they (cascade pointing to the ceiling), will not let that happen. Space is our longing To know where we came from and where we are going. ”

反过来看，你应该很高兴自己没有被选中成为宇航员吧？

“不，我其实很失望。 听着，人类将无法在这里生存，如果有人不照顾环境，留给我们的时间不会超过50年。 人类将会灭绝-我希望他们（他指向天花板）不会让这种事情发生。 太空是我们向往的地方，只有去到那里，我们才知道自己从哪来，到哪去。 ”

But in space tourism you are simply raised to a height of a hundred kilometers and then you return. What else is there to do there?

"Your consciousness changes. If you go out into space you come back different. Your picture is different. Ask any astronaut who has been there."

但是在太空旅游中，您只是将自己提升到一百公里的高度，然后返回而已。 在那里，还有什么可以做的？

“你的意识会改变。如果你进入太空，回来后的感觉就不同了。你的世界观也将不一样。不信的话，问问曾去过那里的宇航员。”

（注：宇航员在太空中，可能发生一种意识转变。比如登月宇航员Edgar Mitchell描述，当他在月球上回望地球，产生万物一体的感觉，犹如个人意识提升进入宇宙意识，有一个专有名词“overview effect”，即是描述此现象。Edgar Mitchell回到地球后，成为UFO领域的先驱）

Are you jealous of Eitan Steve?

"He's a wonderful guy, and what happened was that they took and soiled it in a bibistic way. He came up with it and said, 'I want it and I'm willing to pay. There were already five American billionaires before him who went out. So they came and caught him hitchhiking, and the Minister of Science. "He just wanted to have the experience. My heart ached."

您是否会嫉妒Eitan Steve？

“他是一位很棒的人，但他们把太空旅行的动机玷污了。Eitan想出了一个办法，说：'我想要去太空，我愿意付钱。' 在他之前已经有五位美国亿万富翁也有这个打算，Eitan算是搭了便车，和科学部长一起。他只不过是想获得特殊体验。 这点让我很心痛。”

（注：Eitan Steve将于2021年自费太空旅行，进入国际空间站）

Is space tourism at all a scientific matter?

"No, it will end up as a hobby for the rich. What is really interesting is asteroid mining - they have expensive materials in huge quantities, gold and platinum that have already sunk to the center of the globe and the asteroids are still on the surface. You don't have to land on them, you can just reach and anchor next to them. "And cut what you want. And Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are already planning it. It will be a new gold rush."

太空旅行算是科学实践么？

“不，这最后会变成富人的一种癖好。真正有趣的是对小行星（太空陨石）的开采，那里拥有大量昂贵的材料。在地球上，黄金和铂金已经沉在地底，而小行星的表面就有这些资源。你不必在上面着陆，只需靠近它，并锚在旁边，然后采走你想要的东西。 Elon Musk和Jeff Bezos已经在计划这么做。 这将是新的淘金热。”

What else will happen in the next decade?

"I estimate that quantum computers will reach a level that transcends human capacity in terms of consciousness. It will be superconscious, they will be smarter than us and much more significant than it is now. And the capacity of the computer will advance human consciousness - "

未来十年还会发生什么？

“我估计量子计算机将在意识层面超越人类的水平。它将是超意识的，比我们更聪明，比它现在表现的更加重要。计算机的能力将促进人类意识的提升- ”

（注：关于人工智能，其实有更悲观的看法，即如果量子计算机真正获得意识，可能意味着人类的灾难）

At the moment, things seem to be going in the opposite direction, with the polarizing social networks and everything.

"It's momentary. It's like a petri dish that has problems that need to be neutralized. Science needs to be given a chance to work. Today the only thing that keeps us sane is science."

目前，事情似乎朝相反的方向发展。社会网络乃至一切都呈两极分化。

“这些只是暂时的，就像培养皿中出现的问题等着被消除。科学需要有机会工作。今天，唯一使我们保持理智的是科学。”

（注：再次，Eshed对科学的执念让我很不安，甚至觉得自己是不是不应该翻译这些内容给国内的朋友。科学是双刃剑，目前人类社会的许多问题，恰恰是因为对科学的无限制追求所带来的。如果没有配套的灵性进化，专注于物质层面的科学，可能会给人类带来毁灭，而不是希望。就像一万多年前的亚特兰蒂斯文明那样。）

He himself continues to research, advise and work with the Science Center in Herzliya, which transfers the science program to middle schools in six centers in the periphery. His eldest daughter is back in repentance ("in the middle of her doctorate," he sadly announces), the middle son is a startupist, and the youngest daughter, now 39, works in Philadelphia as a capital market analyst.

Eshed本人继续在Herzliya的科学中心进行研究，工作并提供建议，该单位将科学项目带入周边六个中心区的中学。 他的长女back in repentance （他悲哀地宣布：“发生在攻读博士学位的时候”），排行第二的儿子是位创业者，而最小的女儿现年39岁，在费城工作，担任资本市场分析师。

（注：back in repentance不知是不是指过世了？很抱歉，这个词翻了很多词典，可是不知该在这里如何翻译，所以只好留成英文。repentance原意是反悔或悔改，有些宗教上的含义）

This state of affairs has left Eshed, along the corona, devoid of grandchildren visits, and is not accustomed to this kind of disconnect. Married for the third time (the children from his first wife), Eshed finds himself, more than once, misses, but he believes that here too, science is on the way to salvation.

Eshed已经远离官方事务，再加上新近的疫情，孙辈们无法探访，他很不习惯这种孤立状态。 Eshed共有三次婚姻（孩子都是第一任妻子所生），他发现自己不止一次陷于思念的情绪中，但他也相信科学正在救赎之路上。

"Quantum theory says you can be here and there, and you know what Einstein said about quantum theory? Which is the dumbest thing that can happen, but it works," he says. "And that also means we can maneuver in space-time, and while I sit with you here, I can also sit with my daughter in Philadelphia. The granddaughters keep asking where Grandpa is, and that will allow us to be there, really there, not with alternate reality helmets. And you can Embrace your daughter even if she's in another country. Prof. Michio Kaku (Japanese-American physicist, one of the founders of string theory) said: 'We will be able to jump 400 years forward like a frog.' Think about what has only happened in the last 50 years: how many years has there been an Internet? Cellular? Now think in terms of a 400-year leap. "

Eshed说：“量子理论认为你可以既在这里，也在那里，而你知道爱因斯坦对量子理论的看法吗？他认为这是绝无可能的愚蠢理论，但是现在它被证明是可行的。这也意味着我们可以操控时空，当我和你一起坐在这里的时候，我也可以和我的女儿一起坐在费城。外孙女们一直在问姥爷在哪儿，（操控时空）将使我们能够去她们那里，真的在那里 ，而不是带虚拟现实头盔。即使女儿在另一个国家，你也可以拥抱它。日裔物理学家Michio Kaku教授（弦理论的创始人之一）说：'我们将可以向前跃进400年，像青蛙那样。'想一想在最近的50年里都发生了什么：互联网已经存在多少年了？移动电话？现在再想一下400年后的技术飞跃。”

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