百科问答小站 logo
百科问答小站 font logo



如何评价中央情报局(CIA)的武装力量? 第1页

  

user avatar   419121363 网友的相关建议: 
      

今天有时间了来把这个坑填上。

从头开始讲一下。说到cia的武装力量,我们先来看看cia的组织机构是什么样的:

cia分成exucutive office(就是总头头)、directorate of intelligence(就是情报分析人员,俗称的内勤)、directorate of operations(俗称的外勤,又叫national clandestine service,国家秘密行动处 这篇文章的重点)、directorate of technology(这个不用翻译了吧,u2之类的玩意儿就是他们控制的)和一些支援单位(保安,对外联络和码农民工之类的玩意儿)。

有人提到近些年cia进行了结构改革,把do和di合并了,重新根据任务分解成一个个“任务中心”。(感谢

@JK JK

)搜到一个图大家可以看一下(无伤大雅,分工没有变化):



既然题目问的是武装力量,那我们的重点就放到directorate of operations(clandestine service)这些外勤身上。

cia的外勤行动,一般分成三种形式:

第一种形式是从国防部下属的socom(特种作战司令部)借调部队来组成行动组。其中跟cia合作最密切的当然是jsoc(联合作战司令部,下面再有缩写就不备注了,反正来看这种东西的也都是军迷)下属的T1级别的特种部队,比如devgru啊cag啊24sts啊什么的。最有名的例子当然就要属刺杀本拉登的行动了,看过电影的都知道,某美女cia agent跟同事一起花了N多年的时间找到了本拉登,然后借devgru的手把本拉登给搞掉了(当然cia的外勤也去巴基斯坦了,但是没有直接参与暗杀,至于去干吗了等会儿会讲)。

还有一些训练任务也是这种形式,比如cia跟a国政府或者b国反政府合作,帮他们训练武装力量。这时候就派几个油漆兵或者绿帽子去训练一下挣点儿外快什么的(一般训练任务是真适合路特)。

上几张影视作品中跟cia合作的海豹6的图:

刺杀本拉登中拿hk416的海豹6

还有远处拿mk48的海豹6

第二种就是召回已经退役的特囧。clandestine service找到一些原socom人员,让他们继续签合同为国效力。这群人就是我们熟悉的grs(这个可能有人不太清楚,global response service)了。不知道大家有没有看过一个电影叫《危情13小时》,主角就是这些cia的grs了,当时班加西暴乱,美国领事馆和cia的驻地安全屋都被袭击,多亏这些grs保护最后才没全军覆没。这些人主要负责的就是cia驻地的安全和驻地内勤人员的安保工作,性质其实相当于黑水这种pmc,但是是受雇于cia的。当年有人跟我推荐这个电影的时候,就说是讲的pmc的事儿,看完以后我就跟那人说了,你看着这些人像pmc,但人家是正经受雇于cia的grs,跟黑水那种屌丝可不一样。

再上几个电影里的grs:

刺杀本拉登里保护美女内勤的拿g36c的grs


危情13小时里帅气的grs

最后一种就是正经的cia自己的武装力量了。刚才说的clandestine service下辖一个sad(special activities division),可以理解成特别行动处下的特别行动科...注意了,sad原来可是隶属于jsoc的t1单位,什么概念呢?可以理解成他们战斗力跟美国最精锐的t1特囧部队(devgru, cag, isa, 24sts)是一样的。sad又分成sog(special operations group)和pag(political action group)。pag是搞政治宣传的我们不去管他,sog才是我们要说的那些干湿货脏活的人。

sad下属的特工叫pmo(paramilitiry officer),翻译过来就是准军事特工。pmo应该是这三种形式中最精锐的一部分,因为借调到cia的特囧不一定非得是t1的特囧,grs也不管你是不是t1特囧来了就收,但是pmo不一样了,必须得是有本科学历的t1特囧兵才有资格进sog(油漆兵的rrc和绿帽子的cif应该也有可能让进)。

下面来说说这些人平时都干嘛。保安和护卫任务肯定不是他们的活儿,都让grs抢了。踹门和训练肯定也不归他们管,这个都让socom干了。就剩下收集情报了呗。注意他们收集的情报叫humint,俗称人力收集的情报,跟那些屌丝nsa的it民工键盘侠可不一样,都得冒着生命危险用肉体去收集的,收集的时候不杀几个人都不好意思回去交差。当然突袭埋伏搞个暗杀,敌后骚扰搞个破坏,救个重要人质什么的这类任务也不会少干(但是主要还是交给socom了),大家脑补一下谍影重重就可以了,里面不论是主角小马还是过来杀小马的反派,都是正儿八经如假包换的pmo。

说说几次pmo比较有名的行动:

douglas mackiernan,死在西藏,49年中国解放的时候从乌鲁木齐转移,过边境的时候被当成共产党打死了...这个死的真是冤枉。

hugh redmond,51年伪装成卖冰激凌机的在上海收集情报,被tg抓了,关了19年死在监狱里。据tg说是割腕自杀。

tucker gougelmann,75年美国从越南撤的时候,没赶上最后的飞机,在西贡被越共抓了。被折磨了11个月终于死了...

lawrence freedman,92年黑鹰坠落前夕,在索马里收集当地情报的时候开车压上地雷,死了。

john spann,02年在阿富汗审讯恐怖分子的时候遇到监狱暴动,死了。

nathan chapman,02年在阿富汗调查一个基地组织安全屋的时候被打死。

上面的三个人都是这两场战争中死的第一个美国人(john是开战前死的,nathan是第一次交火死的),这下你们知道cia门口那些星星是怎么来的了吧。还真应了那句话,让人知道的pmo都是死的pmo。

douglas zembiec,有名的费卢杰狮子,07年在巴格达带伊拉克人打反对派的时候死在枪战中。



下面这个行动没人死,所以pmo的名字也没人知道,就是我刚才提到一会儿要说的刺杀本拉登。首先是sog下属的jawbreaker小队,联合三角洲的a队,在阿富汗的山区搜索本拉登。pmo负责的是跟当地的卧底接头(目测是花钱买来的卧底)。然后找到本拉登以后,pmo就住到本拉登隔壁了,一直在本拉登房子周围收集情报,等海豹6的人来。

电影中pmo的图:


刺杀本拉登中拿m4a1的pmo

另一个拿握把m4a1的pmo

当然不要忘了我们的终极pmo小马同志,pmo中的战斗pmo

拿usp和gl06的pmo

最后上一些死了的cia agent的资料,大部分是pmo。从文字描述可以看出他们的任务性质。

  • Douglas Mackiernan - The first CIA employee to be killed in the line of duty and the first star on the wall. Mackiernan had worked for the State Department in China since 1947. When the People's Republic of China was established at the end of the Chinese Civil War in 1949, the State Department ordered that the Tihwa (Ürümqi) consulate where Mackiernan was stationed as vice consul be closed, and personnel were to leave the country immediately. Mackiernan, however, was ordered to stay behind, destroy cryptographic equipment, monitor the situation, and aid anti-communistNationalists. Mackiernan fled south toward India after most escape routes were cut off, along with Frank Bessac, an American Fulbright Scholar who was in Tihwa, and three White Russians. Although Mackiernan and his party survived the Taklamakan Desert and Himalayas, Mackiernan was shot by Tibetan border guards, probably because they mistook them as Communist infiltrators. Although Mackiernan's death was reported on the front cover of the New York Times at the time of his death and his name appears on a plaque in the State Department lobby, the CIA did not reveal his service, because he was operating under diplomatic cover. His star was acknowledged to family members in a secret memorial ceremony at the Wall in 2000 but remained officially undisclosed until 2006, when his name was placed into the CIA's Book of Honor.
  • Jerome P. Ginley - Killed in 1951, during a clandestine mission in East Germany along with Joseph Schussler, a US Army Intelligence Officer.
  • Norman A. Schwartz and Robert C. Snoddy - Both were pilots of a C-47 aircraft on a mission to extract a CIA operative from China. Their plane took off on November 29, 1952, from South Korea for Jilin province, China. They were preparing to pick up the agent with an airborne extraction system when the operative was compromised by Chinese forces on the ground and their plane was shot down. Both Schwarts and Snoddy were killed, while two other CIA crewmembers, Richard G. Fecteau and John T. Downey, were captured by the Chinese and held until 1971 and 1973, respectively. Schwartz's and Snoddy's remains were returned in 2005.
  • James "Pete" McCarthy Jr. - A paramilitary operations officer who died in 1954, on a training flight in Southeast Asia.
  • Four CIA Lockheed U-2pilots who died in plane crashes - Wilburn S. Rose (d. May 15, 1956), Frank G. Grace (d. August 31, 1956), Howard Carey (d. September 17, 1956), and Eugene "Buster" Edens (d. April 1965). Rose, Grace, Carey, and Edens were honored with stars in 1974.
  • William P. Boteler - Boteler was killed in a bombing attack on a restaurant frequented by CIA operatives that was committed by the group EOKA in Cyprus on June 16, 1956.
  • James J. McGrath - A native of Middletown, Connecticut, McGrath died following an accident while working on a high-power German transmitter in January 1957. His star was placed on the wall in 2007.
  • Chiyoki Ikeda - Ikeda died when Northwest Orient Airlines Flight 710 crashed in Indiana on March 17, 1960, while he was on temporary duty assignment in the United States.
  • Stephen Kasarda, Jr. - A native of McKees Rocks, Pennsylvania, Kasarda died on May 1, 1960, while stationed in Southeast Asia. He was working with air supply missions being flown into Tibet.
  • Nels L. Benson - Killed on April 13, 1961, in a training accident while instructing members of Brigade 2506 on the use of C-4 explosives in Retalhuleu, Guatemala.
  • Four CIA pilots were killed on April 19, 1961, while supporting the failed Bay of Pigs invasion on Cuba - Leo F. Baker, Wade C. Gray, Thomas W. Ray and Riley W. Shamburger. One more American was killed during the invasion, paratrooper Herman Koch Gene, but he was not part of the CIA.
  • John J. Merriman - A CIA pilot, he was shot down on July 26, 1964, while attacking a convoy of Simba rebels near Kabalo, Congo with his T-28 counter-insurgency (COIN) aircraft.
  • Barbara Robbins - Killed in a Vietcong car bomb attack on the U.S. embassy in Saigon, South Vietnam on March 30, 1965.
    She was honored with one of the original 31 stars in 1974, but her name was not included in the Book of Honor until May 2011.
  • John W. Waltz - Died on June 6, 1965, in Baghdad, Iraq, while working as an Aide at the U.S. embassy.
    He became ill and died from medical complications following emergency surgery.
  • Edward Johnson and Louis O'Jibway - Both were members of the CIA front company called Air America who were working as intelligence officers. They were killed when their helicopter crashed into the Mekong River in Southeast Asia on August 20, 1965.
  • Michael M. Deuel and Michael A. Maloney - Both were members of the CIA front company called Air America who were working as intelligence officers. They were killed, along with one more Air America pilot and a mechanic, when their helicopter crashed near Saravane, Laos on October 12, 1965.
  • Marcell Rene Gough - A maritime specialist who died in a vehicle accident in November 1965, in today's Democratic Republic of the Congo, while on assignment to maintain equipment for operations designed to defeat communist-backed rebels.
  • 9 officers were killed in action during the Vietnam War in South Vietnam or Laos from 1965 to 1975
    - Unknown (d. 1965), Billy J. Johnson (d. 1968), Wayne J. McNulty (d. 1968), Richard M. Sisk (d. 1968), David L. Konzelman (d. 1971), Raymond L. Seaborg (d. 1972), John Peterson (d. 1972), John W. Kearns (d. 1972), William E. Bennett (d. 1975).
  • Ksawery "Bill" Wyrozemski - An air operations officer who died in a vehicle accident in 1967, in today's Democratic Republic of the Congo.
  • Two CIA A-12 pilots who died in plane crashes - Walter L. Ray (d. January 5, 1967) and Jack W. Weeks (d. June 4, 1968).
  • Charles Mayer - An engineer in the Directorate of Science and Technology, who died in an airplane crash in Iran in 1968. He's duties at the CIA were to monitor the Soviet Union's missile capabilities.
  • Hugh Francis Redmond - Redmond was a member of the Special Activities Division who was posing as an ice cream machine salesman when he was captured in 1951, in Shanghai, China while boarding a ship for San Francisco. He was in captivity for 19 years until he died on April 13, 1970. The Chinese claimed he slit his wrists.
  • Paul C. Davis - Died in Russia in 1971.
  • Wilbur M. Greene - Greene was serving in the Vietnam War when he died during a gall bladder operation in April 1972.
  • Raymond C. Rayner - Rayner was killed by an unknown intruder who broke into his home on the night of November 23, 1974, on Bushrod Island, near Monrovia, Liberia.
  • James A. Rawlings - Killed in a cargo plane crash in South Vietnam in January 1975. He was declared missing and, a year later, the CIA issued a “presumptive determination” of death.
  • Tucker Gougelmann - Gougelmann was a Paramilitary Operations Officer from the CIA's Special Activities Division who worked in the CIA from 1949 to 1972, serving in Europe, Afghanistan, Korea, and Vietnam. Gougelmann returned to Saigon in spring 1975 in an attempt to secure exit visas for loved ones after North Vietnam had launched a major offensive. He missed his final flight out of Saigon, and was captured by the North Vietnamese, who tortured him for 11 months before he died. Gougelmann was honored with a Memorial Star after the criteria for inclusion on the Wall was broadened and after "It was determined that although Gougelmann did not die in the line of duty while employed by CIA, his past affiliation with the Agency led to his death."
  • Richard Welch - Station chief in Greece was assassinated by the radical Marxist organization Revolutionary Organization 17 November in December 1975.
  • Denny Gabriel and Berl King - Former members of the CIA's Air America, they were killed, along with a member of the U.S. Special Forces, when their plane crashed during a training exercise for a top-secret mission on July 13, 1978, in North Carolina.
  • Robert Ames, Phyliss Faraci, Kenneth E. Haas, Deborah M. Hixon, Frank J. Johnston, James Lewis, Monique Lewis and William Richard Sheil - Died in the 1983 Beirut embassy bombing. Haas was the station chief.
  • Richard Spicer, Scott J. Van Lieshout and Curtis R. Wood - Killed in a plane crash while on a covert mission during the Salvadoran Civil War on October 18, 1984.
  • William Francis Buckley - Station chief in Lebanon killed in captivity on June 3, 1985.
  • Richard D. Krobock - Killed in a helicopter crash during the Salvadoran Civil War on March 26, 1987.
  • Matthew Gannon - Gannon was the CIA's deputy station chief in Beirut, Lebanon and was one of at least four American intelligence officers aboard the 1988 Pan Am Flight 103, sitting in Clipper Class seat 14J, when it was blown apart.
  • Robert W. Woods - Killed in a plane crash in August 1989, with Rep. Mickey Leland on a humanitarian mission in Ethiopia.
  • Michael Atkinson, George Bensch, George V. Lacy, Pharies "Bud" Petty, Gerhard H. Rieger and Jimmy Spessard - Killed when their Lockheed L-100 Hercules transport plane crashed on November 27, 1989, in Angola while supporting the rebel group UNITA. Also killed were 11 members of UNITA that were on board.
  • Barry S. Castiglione - Killed during the July 1992 ocean rescue of a colleague in El Salvador.
  • Lawrence N. Freedman - Killed by a landmine in Somalia on December 23, 1992.
  • 1993 shootings at CIA Headquarters - The two fatalities of the attack were Lansing H. Bennett M.D., 66, and Frank Darling, 28, both CIA employees. Bennett, with experience as a physician, was working as an intelligence analyst assessing the health of foreign leaders.
    Darling worked in covert operations.
  • Freddie Woodruff - Assassinated in Tbilsi, Georgia on August 8, 1993, while acting as the station chief involved in training the bodyguards of Georgian leader Eduard Shevardnadze and the élite Omega Special Task Force.
  • Jacqueline K. Van Landingham - Shot and killed in Pakistan on March 8, 1995.
  • James M. Lewek - Killed when a United States Air Force CT-43A crashed near Dubrovnik, Croatiaon April 3, 1996. Thirty-four other people on board were also killed.
  • John G.A. Celli III - Killed in a traffic accident in the Middle East in November 1996.
  • Leslianne Shedd - Killed when Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 was hijacked on November 23, 1996, by three Ethiopians seeking political asylum in Australia and crashed in the Indian Ocean.
  • Thomas M. Jennings Junior - Died in Bosnia-Herzegovina in December 1997.
  • Tom Shah and Molly C.H. Hardy - Died in the 1998 African embassy bombings.
  • Johnny Micheal "Mike" Spann - He was a Paramilitary Operations Officer from the Special Activities Division killed during a Taliban prison uprising in November 2001 in Mazar-e Sharif (see Battle of Qala-i-Jangi). His star, the 79th, was added in 2002.
    Officer Spann was posthumously awarded the Intelligence Star for valor for his actions.
  • Nathan Chapman - He was the first American soldier to be killed in combat in the war in Afghanistan. At the time of his death, he was detailed to the CIA as a CIA paramilitary team’s communications specialist. He was killed on January 4, 2002, while investigating an Al-Qaeda safe house in Khost.
  • Helge P. Boes - Killed by a grenade during a training accident in Afghanistan on February 7, 2003.
  • Christopher Glenn Mueller and William "Chief" Carlson - Two paramilitary contractors from Special Activities Division killed in an ambush in Afghanistan on October 25, 2003.
    On May 21, 2004, these officers' stars were dedicated at a memorial ceremony.
    "The bravery of these two men cannot be overstated," then-Director of Central Intelligence George J. Tenet told a gathering of several hundred Agency employees and family members of those killed in the line of duty. "Chris and Chief put the lives of others ahead of their own. That is heroism defined." Mueller, a former US Navy SEAL and Carlson, a former Army Ranger, Green Beret and Delta Force soldier, died while tracking high level terrorists near Shkin, Afghanistan, on October 25, 2003. Both officers saved the lives of others, including Afghan soldiers, during the ambush.
  • Gregg Wenzel - An operations officer who was killed in Ethiopia in 2003, also was honored with a star on the CIA's memorial wall. A former defense attorney in Florida, Wenzel grew up in Monroe, New York, and was a member of the first clandestine service training class to graduate after the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001. His Agency affiliation was withheld for six years. Overseas, Wenzel gathered intelligence on a wide range of national security priorities. In Director Leon Panetta’s words: “At age 33, a promising young officer—a leader and friend to so many—was taken from us. We find some measure of solace in knowing that Gregg achieved what he set out to do: He lived for a purpose greater than himself. Like his star on this Wall, that lesson remains with us always.”
  • Gregory R. Wright, Jr. - Killed in Iraq on December 7, 2005, while working on a Protective Service Detail. His team was returning from an asset meeting when they were ambushed by unknown attackers.
  • Rachel A. Dean - Dean was a native of Stanardsville, Virginia who joined the CIA as a young support officer in January 2005. She died in a car accident in September 2006, while on temporary duty in Kazakhstan.
  • Maj. Douglas A. Zembiec - Known as the "Lion of Fallujah" for his deployment there with the US Marine Corps. Killed in a gun battle in Baghdad in May 2007 while leading Iraqis on a "snatch-and-grab" operation against insurgents, while serving with the CIA's Special Activities Division. Officially, his star remains anonymous to this day; the CIA has refused to comment on Zembiec's employment with the Agency. However, former U.S. intelligence officials stated in interviews with The Washington Post that Zembiec was indeed serving with the SAD Ground Branch at the time of his death.
  • Jeffrey R. Patneau - Died in a car accident on September 29, 2008, while posing as a State Department employee in Yemen.
  • Harold Brown, Elizabeth Hanson, Darren LaBonte, Jennifer Matthews, Dane Paresi, Scott Roberson, Jeremy Wise - Killed in the Camp Chapman attack in Afghanistan on December 30, 2009.
  • Unknown CIA employee - Shot and killed by a rogue Afghan, who was working for the U.S. government, at the U.S. embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan on September 25, 2011.
  • Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods - Killed during the attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, on the night of September 11–12, 2012. Both were former Navy SEALs and worked as CIA security contractors.
    In addition, the US ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, and one other American diplomat, Sean Smith, were also killed in the attack.
  • The identities and circumstances of death of 16 officers are still unknown. Of the 16: one each died in 1978, 1984 and 1989, six in 2008, and seven at an undetermined time.

以上。

图片来源:

Internet Movie Firearms Database

部分文字资料来自英文维基:en.wikipedia.org


user avatar   goldentycoon 网友的相关建议: 
      

CIA的准军事部队的人数虽然保密,但总体上也就是一两百人的规模,这是由它负责的任务决定的。

和军方特种部队相比,CIA准军事人员往往从事需要的人数少,后勤保障需求不大的行动。

而军方特种部队则从事需要人数较多,对后勤保障需求也大的行动。

更关键的是,军方特种部队是由军人组成的,所以原则上要遵守国际法和战争法。

而CIA的准军事人员不是军人,所以没有这些顾虑。

所以,一般在不需要隐藏美国的参与的时候,由军方特种部队负责。而在需要完全隐藏美国的参与的时候,则由CIA负责。如果CIA的准军事人员在行动中被抓了,美国是肯定不会承认的,他们也不会被给予日内瓦公约中对战俘的待遇。

但是,CIA的准军事部队的战斗力极差。甚至可以说,从它成立起到现在从事过的所有准军事活动中,只有少数几次是成功的。

因为它从事的准军事活动都是高度机密,所以外界并不了解,但美国的911委员会可是全面了解的。

2004年,美国911委员会就强烈建议由国防部承担主要的秘密准军事活动的职责,因为CIA的准军事能力根本不足。

2009年,美国911委员会发布研究报告,再次建议将CIA对秘密准军事活动的主导权转给国防部。

2015年,美国911委员会提出要将国防部和CIA的秘密准军事活动力量合并,并将CIA在秘密准军事活动上的主导权交给国防部。

而实际上,美国911委员会十多年来一直在主张美国将秘密准军事活动的主导权交给军方,因为它的研究结果显示CIA的准军事能力极差。

CIA的准军事活动能力之所以差,是由它的机制决定的。

CIA的准军事活动是由它的特别行动中心(SAD)负责的。

这个部门实际上人数很少。而每次有任务时,他们是临时找来一些退役军人、前CIA人员甚至外国人,和他们签协议,由他们来执行任务。也就是说,CIA的准军事人员很多时候都是临时召集的人马。

而且CIA的秘密准军事活动的后勤保障主要依赖美军特种作战司令部,毕竟它只是一个政府机关,论后勤保障能力远远没法和军队相比。

CIA的准军事人员顶多也就一两百人,而美军特种作战司令部有七万人,而且很多人员已经部署在世界各地,快速反应程度远超CIA。

所以,将来的大趋势就是CIA对秘密准军事活动的主导权将逐步交给美军特种作战司令部。

但目前肯定不是时候,因为军方还缺少足够强的情报能力。

有人会说:CIA不是可以给军方提供情报么?

其实不然,军队就像是一个拳击手,它必须有自己的眼睛和耳朵。

如果军队没有自己的情报系统,就好比蒙上这个拳击手的眼睛和耳朵,靠CIA来指挥它向哪个方向出拳和闪躲,结果可想而知。

但美国国防部的秘密情报能力现在显然还欠火候。

之前国防部的情报机构----国防情报局(DIA)主要依赖武官等手段搜集情报,在秘密情报活动方面水平不高。后来专门成立了国防秘密行动处(DCS)来增强秘密情报搜集能力。

但DCS的情报能力现在仍然不算强,从两点即知:

  1. DCS的特工人员全是由CIA训练的,因为国防部自己的情报资源并不多;
  2. DCS驻外国的特工人员要策反哪些重要的外国人,需要先向同样驻该国的CIA特工人员汇报,由CIA人员先进行审核。

所以,CIA的秘密准军事活动的主导权目前还不会交给美军特种作战司令部。

将来或许会由美军主导美国的秘密准军事活动,但CIA也不会完全取消秘密准军事活动职能。

原因如前所述,对于一些秘密准军事活动,特别是违反国际法和战争法的,使用军人显然不太合适,所以美国还会保留CIA的准军事人员这样的非军事单位来从事这类活动。




  

相关话题

  萨德系统对中国的危害到底多严重呢? 
  中国军队的远程投送能力到底有多强? 
  亚裔(华裔)该不该支持“BLM"的抗议活动? 
  如何看待央视最新曝光的99A坦克防御能力抗穿1000mm? 
  如何看待拜登警告「如果俄罗斯入侵乌克兰,将考虑直接制裁普京本人 」?释放了哪些信号? 
  如何评价奥巴马在 2015 年国情咨文中提出的要实行社区大学免费制度? 
  日本所谓“失去的30年”是由美国造成的吗?抑或是因为日本内部的弊病? 
  媒体称俄乌武器库存正消耗殆尽,而时间越长对俄方越有利,如何看待这一说法? 
  为什么子弹杀伤力那么大?在哪些部位受击后会立即致死,为什么? 
  如何看待CJ-1000AX发动机的成功试车? 

前一个讨论
人类在哪些领域的水平正在倒退?
下一个讨论
长津湖之战中为何美军不反杀?





© 2024-05-06 - tinynew.org. All Rights Reserved.
© 2024-05-06 - tinynew.org. 保留所有权利