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地理大发现时期,奥斯曼帝国有没有到访过新大陆?奥斯曼与美洲的欧洲列强殖民地有没有经贸文化联系?

回答
地理大发现时期,奥斯曼帝国并未直接“到访”过我们今天所说的“新大陆”,也就是美洲。这一点非常确定,因为当时的奥斯曼海军虽然强大,但其活动范围主要集中在地中海、红海、波斯湾以及印度洋北部地区。跨越茫茫大西洋,到达美洲,这在地理距离、航海技术和战略重心上,都超出了奥斯曼帝国的主要能力和关注点。

为什么奥斯曼帝国没有直接到达美洲?

1. 地理限制与海洋能力: 虽然奥斯曼帝国在15世纪后期和16世纪初期是地中海的海上强权,拥有精良的舰队,但他们擅长的是帆船和桨帆混合战舰,主要适用于相对封闭的地中海环境。进行一次横跨大西洋的远洋航行,需要能够应对无边无际的海洋、恶劣天气以及长时间补给的特殊船只(如卡拉克船、卡维尔船等)和更先进的导航技术。这与当时葡萄牙和西班牙在发展新型远洋船只和导航术上的投入是不同的。
2. 战略重心: 奥斯曼帝国的扩张和战略重点始终围绕着陆地和地中海区域。他们刚刚完成了对拜占庭的征服(1453年),正忙于巩固在巴尔干、东欧、中东和北非的统治。与欧洲列强的竞争主要体现在陆地上的冲突以及对地中海贸易路线的控制上。他们主要的“东方”贸易利益集中在亚洲香料和丝绸贸易,以及控制通往印度洋的航线。
3. 信息不对称: 当哥伦布等人第一次到达美洲时,这些消息对于远在奥斯曼帝国核心的统治者来说,可能需要一段时间才能传达,并且其真实性和重要性也未必能被立即完全理解。即使知道了,也可能因为上述原因,被视为不如在欧洲和东方争夺地盘来得紧迫。

奥斯曼帝国与美洲的欧洲列强殖民地有没有经贸文化联系?

虽然奥斯曼帝国没有直接到达美洲,但他们与那些在美洲建立殖民地的欧洲列强之间,存在着间接的,但却是相当重要的经贸和政治联系。这些联系深刻地影响了当时的世界格局,也间接触及了“新大陆”的商品。

1. 贸易路线与香料竞争:
奥斯曼帝国在15世纪中期之后,通过控制陆路丝绸之路和埃及(1517年),极大地提高了欧洲从东方获取香料、丝绸等奢侈品的成本。葡萄牙正是为了绕开奥斯曼和威尼斯共和国等中间商,才积极探索新的海上航线,最终发现了通往印度的新航路。
一旦葡萄牙人绕过非洲,开始直接从印度和东南亚进口香料,这些商品也开始源源不断地流向欧洲。然后,这些来自东方的商品,一部分又会通过欧洲列强(如西班牙、葡萄牙、荷兰、英国)的贸易网络,间接地进入美洲的殖民地,或者被欧洲人用于与美洲殖民地的贸易交换。
换句话说,奥斯曼帝国通过对传统贸易路线的控制,客观上推动了地理大发现,而地理大发现的成果(美洲的白银、烟草、蔗糖等)又通过欧洲列强的贸易,可能间接地与奥斯曼控制下的地区进行了商品交换。例如,欧洲殖民者可能用美洲获得的白银,在奥斯曼控制的地中海沿岸购买商品。

2. 政治与军事的制衡:
奥斯曼帝国是当时欧洲基督教世界最大的军事和政治对手。欧洲列强在探索和殖民美洲的同时,也要时刻提防奥斯曼帝国在地中海和巴尔干的军事行动。
西班牙和葡萄牙在进行跨大西洋探索和殖民时,也需要平衡对奥斯曼帝国的防御。比如,西班牙王室的一部分资源和注意力,是用于对抗在地中海活跃的奥斯曼海军和北非海盗。
有时,欧洲内部的政治力量(如哈布斯堡王朝)甚至会考虑与奥斯曼帝国结盟,以对抗共同的敌人(例如,在16世纪,法国就曾与奥斯曼帝国建立过联盟,以削弱哈布斯堡王朝的力量)。这种地缘政治的博弈,虽然不直接涉及美洲殖民地,但影响了欧洲各国投入到地理大发现和殖民活动中的资源和决心。

3. 间接的文化传播(有限):
直接的文化交流几乎不存在,因为双方没有直接接触。
但通过欧洲列强的贸易网络,一些美洲特产(如烟草、玉米、土豆等)也可能在地理大发现后相当长的时间里,通过欧洲辗转传入奥斯曼帝国控制的地区,虽然这个过程非常缓慢且不直接。同样,一些源自东方(可能是经奥斯曼帝国控制区域)的商品,也可能随着欧洲商船运往美洲。
更具象的是,信息本身也会传播。奥斯曼帝国不可能不知道欧洲人发现了“新大陆”这件事,尽管其对奥斯曼帝国本土的影响是间接的。

总结来说:

奥斯曼帝国没有直接派船队抵达过美洲,也没有直接与美洲殖民地建立过贸易关系或官方文化往来。但是,他们作为当时世界格局中的重要一极,通过其在地缘政治和传统贸易路线上的影响力,间接地参与了地理大发现及其后续进程。奥斯曼帝国控制的传统东方贸易路线,是促使欧洲寻找新航线的强大动力之一;而欧洲列强在美洲的殖民活动,虽然是为了绕开奥斯曼,但其产物(如白银)的全球流通,最终也可能在与奥斯曼控制区域的间接贸易中留下痕迹。他们的存在,始终是欧洲列强在制定全球战略时必须考虑的因素之一。

网友意见

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1521年,奥斯曼海军将领Piri Reis把从西班牙人手里缴获的美洲地图画在了自己的世界地图集《Kitab-ı Bahriye/海之书》里。

为了阐明来源,Piri Reis 还特地在地图注释6上写上了

also from a map drawn by Qulūnbū [Columbus] in the western region 并依据由Qulunbu/哥伦布所绘的西方诸地地图

这句话。


但这仍阻止不了后来,茫茫多的民科历史发明家利用人们对奥斯曼土耳其文字的不熟悉,依据Piri Reis地图胡编乱造一些“某某发现了新大陆”的东西。

这里面包括孟席斯这种沽名钓誉的(“1421大明发现美洲”那位),也包括埃苏丹这种谋求政治资本的。

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严格说,有微弱联系


奥斯曼帝国不是对新大陆没有反应,严格说是有心无力,事实是打着奥斯曼帝国旗号的势力远比中国网民想象的多和范围大。

举一个著名的海盗头子为例

他的名字叫扬詹森.凡.哈勒姆或穆拉德.里斯( Jan Jansen Van Haarlem or Mourad Reis)。 他是改宗成为穆斯林的荷兰佬。 但他为奥斯曼/摩尔效力。 他攻击过冰岛和rland,或者和任何其他的欧洲海盗一样驶向北大西洋(甚至也许美国)? 从17世纪初开始,奥斯曼舰队开始进军到大西洋 (早期, 在1501年曾航行到加那利群岛 ,而穆拉德.里斯于1585年夺取了兰萨罗特中的加那利群岛 )。1617年奥斯曼帝国舰队占领大西洋马德拉,袭击前苏塞克斯 , 普利茅斯 , 德文郡 , 哈特兰 , 在1625年8月康沃尔郡和西部英格兰的其他县遭到奥斯曼海盗袭击。 1627年奥斯曼海军舰艇的陪同下,巴巴里海岸的海盗,袭击了设得兰群岛 , 法罗群岛 , 丹麦 , 挪威和冰岛 。 1627和1631相同的,奥斯曼帝国的力量还袭击的爱尔兰和瑞典海岸 。1655年40艘奥斯曼艘舰队在布里斯托尔海峡占领小岛伦迪 ,这里曾担任北大西洋奥斯曼海军和私掠业务的主要基地,直到1660年,奥斯曼船舶出现在北美东部沿海 ,尤其是被看见在像英国殖民地纽芬兰和弗吉尼亚州。

Jan JanszoonFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThis article is about the 17th century Dutch pirate. For the Dutch cartographer, see Jan Janssonius. Jan Janszoon

Grand Admiral of Salé In office

1619–1627

Governor of Salé (ceremonial) In office

1623–1627

Appointed by Sultan Zidan Abu Maali Governor of Oualidia In office

1640–1641

Appointed by Sultan Mohammed esh Sheikh es Seghir Personal details Born Jan Janszoon van Haarlemc. 1570Haarlem, North Holland, Netherlands Died 1641 or laterMorocco Nationality Dutch, Moroccan Children Lysbeth Janszoon van Haarlem, Anthony Janszoon van Salee, Abraham Janszoon van Salee, Philip Janszoon van Salee, Cornelis Janszoon van Salee Occupation Pirate Religion Islam Military service Allegiance Morocco Rank Grand Admiral (Reis) Jan Janszoon van Haarlem, commonly known as Murat Reis the Younger (c. 1570 – c. 1641) was the first President and Grand Admiral of the Corsair Republic of Salé, Governor of Oualidia, and a Dutch Barbary pirate, one of the most famous of the "Salé Rovers" from the 17th century.

Contents [hide] 1Early life 2Privateering 3Capture by Barbary corsairs 4Republic of Salé 4.1Plea from Dutch family

5Diplomacy 5.1Dutch captives 5.2Franco-Moroccan Treaty of 1631

6Notable raids 6.1Lundy 6.2Grindavík 6.3Sack of Baltimore, Ireland 6.4Raids in the Mediterranean Sea

7Capture by Knights of Malta 8Escape and return to Morocco 9Marriages and issue 10Popular culture 11Names 12See also 13External links 14Notes 15Works consulted

Early life[edit] Jan Janszoon van Haerlem was born in Haarlem, North Holland, Republic of the Netherlands in 1575. The Eighty Years War had started seven years previously and lasted all his life. Little is known of his early life, except that he married Soutgen Cave in 1595 and had two children with her, Edward and Lysbeth. He married Margarita, a Moorish woman, in Cartagena around 1600. They had four children; Anthony, Abraham, Phillip, and Cornelis. Privateering[edit] In 1600, Jan Janszoon began as a Dutch privateer sailing from his home port, Haarlem, working for the state with letters of marque to harass Spanish shipping during the Eighty Years' War. Working from the Netherlands was insufficiently profitable, so Janszoon overstepped the boundaries of his letters and found his way to the semi-independent port states of the Barbary Coastof north Africa, whence he could attack ships of every foreign state: when he attacked a Spanish ship, he flew the Dutch flag; when he attacked any other, he became an Ottoman Captain and flew the red half-moon of the Turks or the flag of any of various other Mediterranean principalities. During this period he had abandoned his Dutch family.[1] Capture by Barbary corsairs Sail plan for a Polacca, first built by the Barbary pirates around the 16th century, many scholars believe the Polacca was extensively used by Jan Janszoon. The ship could sail with a large crew of 75 and was armed with 24cannons Janszoon was captured in 1618 at Lanzarote (one of the Canary Islands) by Barbary corsairs and taken toAlgiers as a captive. There he turned "Turk", or Muslim (as the Ottoman Empire had some limited influence over the region, sometimes Europeans erroneously called all Muslims "Turks"). It is speculated by some that the conversion was forced.[2] Janszoon himself, however, tried very hard to convert his fellow Europeans who were Christian to become Muslim and was a very passionate Muslim missionary.[3] The Ottoman Turks maintained a precarious measure of influence on behalf of their Sultan by openly encouraging the Moors to advance themselves through piracy against the European powers, which long resented the Ottoman Empire. After Janszoon's conversion to Islam and the ways of his captors, he sailed with the famous corsair Sulayman Rais, also known as Slemen Reis (originally a Dutchman named De Veenboer[4] whom Janszoon had known before his capture and who,[5] as Janszoon himself, had chosen to convert to Islam) and with Simon de Danser.[citation needed] But, because Algiers had concluded peace with several European nations, it was no longer a suitable harbor from which to sell captured ships or their cargo. So, after Sulayman Rais was killed by a cannonball in 1619, Janszoon moved to the ancient port of Salé and began operating from it as aBarbary corsair himself.


Republic of Salé Salé in the 1600sMain article: Republic of Salé In 1619, Salé Rovers declared the port to be an independent republic free from the Sultan. They set up a government that consisted of 14 pirate leaders, and elected Janszoon as their President. He would also serve as the Grand Admiral of their navy.[6]The Salé fleet totaled about eighteen ships, all small because of the very shallow harbor entrance. Even the Sultan of Morocco, after an unsuccessful siege of the city, acknowledged its semi-autonomy. Contrary to popular belief that Sultan Zidan Abu Maali had reclaimed sovereignty over Salé and appointed Janszoon the Governor in 1624, the Sultan merely approved Janszoon's election as President by formally appointing him as his ceremonial governor.[7]

The walls of Marrakesh and El Badi Palace, by Adriaen Matham, 1640. Under Janszoon's leadership, business in Salé thrived. The main sources of income of this republic remained piracy and its by-trades, shipping and dealing in stolen property. Historians have noted Janszoon's intelligence and courage which reflected in his leadership ability. He was forced to find an assistant to keep up, resulting in the hiring of a fellow countryman from The Netherlands, Mathys van Bostel Oosterlinck, who would serve as his Vice-Admiral.[8] Janszoon had become very wealthy from his income as piratical admiral, payments for anchorage and other harbor dues, and the brokerage of stolen goods. The political climate in Salé worsened toward the end of 1627, so Janszoon quietly moved his family and his entire piratical operation back to semi-independent Algiers.



还有17世纪冰岛人Gudridur Simonardottir 的奇遇

1627年,北欧带路党 Jan Janszoon 等人,伙同北非柏柏里海盗,洗劫冰岛沿海村镇,掳走数百人。 其中有人妻人母Gudridur Simonardottir,被贩至北非为奴,受屈受辱。十年后与若干同胞一道被丹麦王克里斯蒂安四世赎回。丹麦有为这批身心受创伤者设立的康复中心和改造课程,负责人是神学院学生Hallgrimur Petursson。 Simonardottir比他年长16岁,日久生情,珠胎暗结。Petursson 放弃前程,随Simonardottir回归故里,得知Simonardottir前夫已死,两人随即完婚。婚后要忍受当地人各种闲话,从她在北非失身失节到年龄差距伤风败俗等等。 七年后Petursson时来运转, Skalholt主教授予他圣职,从此蒸蒸日上,大展宏图,青史留名。 两人白头到老,Simonardottir比小她16岁的Petursson还多活8年。

把奥斯曼帝国看作是与葡萄牙,西班牙,荷兰竞争的海洋帝国也是蛮有意思的一种观点。19世纪中期,为应对荷兰殖民者在苏门答腊的扩张,亚齐(Aceh)人向奥斯曼帝国求援,两者曾在16世纪建立过联系。亚齐苏丹致信当时的奥斯曼苏丹阿卜杜勒-阿齐兹,信中极力渲染荷兰人的威胁,以亚齐与奥斯曼在历史上的宗藩关系为由,请求援助。在此背景下,奥斯曼帝国得到这幅亚齐人呈送的东南亚地图。


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